When I hold treat over my arm my Buff Orpington and Rhode island red will jump up and perch on my arm. Ginny Weasley (RIR) is starting to get a little heavy, but Lady Buffington is still light. The demon Crowley ,( 3yro barred rock) never wants to go in so I just run her around the yard until she runs to the pen gate. That's as trained as she'll ever be.