prayer warriors (following Jesus Christ, everyone welcome)

[ShrekDawg]

whats the current topic?

The topic was actually about the prophecy of Jesus getting mocked and scorned, but I sidetracked it lol, we were looking at the two instances during the crucifixion where Jesus was offered vinegar to drink, and why....

Hey sorry I know I ask this kind of a lot but can anyone PM? I have to say/ask something

Sure, go ahead, I'm available for a bit

Ahhh okay, that makes a lot more sense haha

And okay, thank you

 

[Flock Master64]

The topic was actually about the prophecy of Jesus getting mocked and scorned, but I sidetracked it lol, we were looking at the two instances during the crucifixion where Jesus was offered vinegar to drink, and why....
Sure, go ahead, I'm available for a bit

oh ok

 

[TroyerGal]

Hey sorry I know I ask this kind of a lot but can anyone PM? I have to say/ask something

Im here in case you need anyone...

 

[ShrekDawg]

Hey sorry I know I ask this kind of a lot but can anyone PM? I have to say/ask something

Im here in case you need anyone...

Thank you

 

[TroyerGal]

Thank you

No problem

 

[ShrekDawg]

Thank you

No problem

 

[ocap]

Jacob Study , application comments appreciated

Genesis 32 New American Standard Bible (NASB)


32:1 Now as Jacob went on his way, the angels of God met him. 2 Jacob said when he saw them, “This is God’s camp.” So he named that place Mahanaim.
3 Then Jacob sent messengers before him to his brother Esau in the land of Seir, the country of Edom. 4 He also commanded them saying, “Thus you shall say to my lord Esau: ‘Thus says your servant Jacob, “I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed until now; 5 I have oxen and donkeys and flocks and male and female servants; and I have sent to tell my lord, that I may find favor in your sight.”’”
6 The messengers returned to Jacob, saying, “We came to your brother Esau, and furthermore he is coming to meet you, and four hundred men are with him.” 7 Then Jacob was greatly afraid and distressed; and he divided the people who were with him, and the flocks and the herds and the camels, into two companies; 8 for he said, “If Esau comes to the one company and attacks it, then the company which is left will escape.”
9 Jacob said, “O God of my father Abraham and God of my father Isaac, O Lord, who said to me, ‘Return to your country and to your relatives, and I will prosper you,’ 10 I am unworthy of all the lovingkindness and of all the faithfulness which You have shown to Your servant; for with my staff only I crossed this Jordan, and now I have become two companies. 11 Deliver me, I pray, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau; for I fear him, that he will come and attack me and the mothers with the children. 12 For You said, ‘I will surely prosper you and make your descendants as the sand of the sea, which is too great to be numbered.’”
13 So he spent the night there. Then he selected from what he had with him a present for his brother Esau: 14 two hundred female goats and twenty male goats, two hundred ewes and twenty rams, 15 thirty milking camels and their colts, forty cows and ten bulls, twenty female donkeys and ten male donkeys. 16 He delivered them into the hand of his servants, every drove by itself, and said to his servants, “Pass on before me, and put a space between droves.” 17 He commanded the one in front, saying, “When my brother Esau meets you and asks you, saying, ‘To whom do you belong, and where are you going, and to whom do these animals in front of you belong?’ 18 then you shall say, ‘These belong to your servant Jacob; it is a present sent to my lord Esau. And behold, he also is behind us.’” 19 Then he commanded also the second and the third, and all those who followed the droves, saying, “After this manner you shall speak to Esau when you find him; 20 and you shall say, ‘Behold, your servant Jacob also is behind us.’” For he said, “I will appease him with the present that goes before me. Then afterward I will see his face; perhaps he will accept me.” 21 So the present passed on before him, while he himself spent that night in the camp.
22 Now he arose that same night and took his two wives and his two maids and his eleven children, and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 He took them and sent them across the stream. And he sent across whatever he had.


24 Then Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until daybreak. 25 When he saw that he had not prevailed against him, he touched the socket of his thigh; so the socket of Jacob’s thigh was dislocated while he wrestled with him. 26 Then he said, “Let me go, for the dawn is breaking.” But he said, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.” 27 So he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Jacob.” 28 He said, “Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed.” 29 Then Jacob asked him and said, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And he blessed him there. 30 So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said, “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved.” 31 Now the sun rose upon him just as he crossed over Penuel, and he was limping on his thigh. 32 Therefore, to this day the sons of Israel do not eat the sinew of the hip which is on the socket of the thigh, because he touched the socket of Jacob’s thigh in the sinew of the hip.

 

[chickluvinfreak]

On the phone with my friend, she's especially upset because while she wasn't extremely close, she saw him after school at sailing every single day for 3 years. Says he acted like that but deep down he was a sweetheart, which confirms what i had thought

Makes it even more sad and real

I'm sorry Kelsey I'll be praying for them and their families also

 

[lazy gardener]

Jacob Study , application comments appreciated

Genesis 32 New American Standard Bible (NASB)


32:1 Now as Jacob went on his way, the angels of God met him. 2 Jacob said when he saw them, “This is God’s camp.” So he named that place Mahanaim.
3 Then Jacob sent messengers before him to his brother Esau in the land of Seir, the country of Edom. 4 He also commanded them saying, “Thus you shall say to my lord Esau: ‘Thus says your servant Jacob, “I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed until now; 5 I have oxen and donkeys and flocks and male and female servants; and I have sent to tell my lord, that I may find favor in your sight.”’”
6 The messengers returned to Jacob, saying, “We came to your brother Esau, and furthermore he is coming to meet you, and four hundred men are with him.” 7 Then Jacob was greatly afraid and distressed; and he divided the people who were with him, and the flocks and the herds and the camels, into two companies; 8 for he said, “If Esau comes to the one company and attacks it, then the company which is left will escape.”
9 Jacob said, “O God of my father Abraham and God of my father Isaac, O Lord, who said to me, ‘Return to your country and to your relatives, and I will prosper you,’ 10 I am unworthy of all the lovingkindness and of all the faithfulness which You have shown to Your servant; for with my staff only I crossed this Jordan, and now I have become two companies. 11 Deliver me, I pray, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau; for I fear him, that he will come and attack me and the mothers with the children. 12 For You said, ‘I will surely prosper you and make your descendants as the sand of the sea, which is too great to be numbered.’”
13 So he spent the night there. Then he selected from what he had with him a present for his brother Esau: 14 two hundred female goats and twenty male goats, two hundred ewes and twenty rams, 15 thirty milking camels and their colts, forty cows and ten bulls, twenty female donkeys and ten male donkeys. 16 He delivered them into the hand of his servants, every drove by itself, and said to his servants, “Pass on before me, and put a space between droves.” 17 He commanded the one in front, saying, “When my brother Esau meets you and asks you, saying, ‘To whom do you belong, and where are you going, and to whom do these animals in front of you belong?’ 18 then you shall say, ‘These belong to your servant Jacob; it is a present sent to my lord Esau. And behold, he also is behind us.’” 19 Then he commanded also the second and the third, and all those who followed the droves, saying, “After this manner you shall speak to Esau when you find him; 20 and you shall say, ‘Behold, your servant Jacob also is behind us.’” For he said, “I will appease him with the present that goes before me. Then afterward I will see his face; perhaps he will accept me.” 21 So the present passed on before him, while he himself spent that night in the camp.
22 Now he arose that same night and took his two wives and his two maids and his eleven children, and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 He took them and sent them across the stream. And he sent across whatever he had.


24 Then Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until daybreak. 25 When he saw that he had not prevailed against him, he touched the socket of his thigh; so the socket of Jacob’s thigh was dislocated while he wrestled with him. 26 Then he said, “Let me go, for the dawn is breaking.” But he said, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.” 27 So he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Jacob.” 28 He said, “Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed.” 29 Then Jacob asked him and said, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And he blessed him there. 30 So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said, “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved.” 31 Now the sun rose upon him just as he crossed over Penuel, and he was limping on his thigh. 32 Therefore, to this day the sons of Israel do not eat the sinew of the hip which is on the socket of the thigh, because he touched the socket of Jacob’s thigh in the sinew of the hip.

I find it interesting that Jacob, by deception stole the inheritance from Esau. He then, with the urging and help of Rebekah, deceived Isaac, and stole the blessing which was destined for the first born. He fled for his life, and met up with one who was even more deceptive than himself. Laban got 7 years of free labor out of him, with a verbal promise that he could then wed Rachel. But... by Laban's trickery, Jacob married Leah first. 7 more years of labor resulted in him being allowed to wed Rachel, who was the woman of his dreams. Laban continued to deceive and take advantage of Jacob for an other 6 years, before he took his family, his great wealth (as God had prospered him) , and fled. God blessed Jacob, in spite of his previous underhanded behavior with his brother.

Jacob sent a multitude of herds ahead of him as gifts to Esau, in hopes of purchasing forgiveness. (do we ever try to earn God's favor????) These many gifts sent to Esau were an example of how God takes the bad circumstances and makes blessings out of them. In a way, the inheritance stolen from Esau was being returned to him with all of these animals.

The fight between Jacob and the ?man, ? angel, ? Jesus needs further study. Jacob interpreted this person who he fought with to be God. I have no doubt that it was God. I find it interesting that Jacob demanded a blessing. Who is Jacob that his ego is so large that he can demand a blessing from God? I thought I'd toss in a bit of a search regarding the meaning behind the name of Jacob.
http://www.behindthename.com/name/jacob
Meaning & History
From the Latin Iacobus, which was from the Greek Ιακωβος (Iakobos), which was from the Hebrew name יַעֲקֹב (Ya'aqov). In the Old Testament Jacob (later called Israel) is the son of Isaac and Rebecca and the father of the twelve founders of the twelve tribes of Israel. He was born holding his twin brother Esau's heel, and his name is explained as meaning "holder of the heel" or "supplanter", because he twice deprived his brother of his rights as the firstborn son (see Genesis 27:36). Other theories claim that it is in fact derived from a hypothetical name like יַעֲקֹבְאֵל (Ya'aqov'el) meaning "may God protect".

Now, the meaning behind the name Israel:

The name Israel is a Hebrew baby name. In Hebrew the meaning of the name Israelis: May God prevail. He struggles with God. God perseveres; contends. In the bible when Jacob was in his nineties as a token of blessing God changed his name to Israel.

 

[shortgrass]

I find it interesting that Jacob, by deception stole the inheritance from Esau. He then, with the urging and help of Rebekah, deceived Isaac, and stole the blessing which was destined for the first born. He fled for his life, and met up with one who was even more deceptive than himself. Laban got 7 years of free labor out of him, with a verbal promise that he could then wed Rachel. But... by Laban's trickery, Jacob married Leah first. 7 more years of labor resulted in him being allowed to wed Rachel, who was the woman of his dreams. Laban continued to deceive and take advantage of Jacob for an other 6 years, before he took his family, his great wealth (as God had prospered him) , and fled. God blessed Jacob, in spite of his previous underhanded behavior with his brother. Jacob sent a multitude of herds ahead of him as gifts to Esau, in hopes of purchasing forgiveness. (do we ever try to earn God's favor????) These many gifts sent to Esau were an example of how God takes the bad circumstances and makes blessings out of them. In a way, the inheritance stolen from Esau was being returned to him with all of these animals. The fight between Jacob and the ?man, ? angel, ? Jesus needs further study. Jacob interpreted this person who he fought with to be God. I have no doubt that it was God. I find it interesting that Jacob demanded a blessing. Who is Jacob that his ego is so large that he can demand a blessing from God? I thought I'd toss in a bit of a search regarding the meaning behind the name of Jacob.
http://www.behindthename.com/name/jacob
Meaning & History
From the Latin Iacobus, which was from the Greek [COLOR=222244]Ιακωβος[/COLOR] (Iakobos), which was from the Hebrew name [COLOR=222244]יַעֲקֹב[/COLOR] (Ya'aqov). In the [COLOR=222244]Old Testament[/COLOR] Jacob (later called [COLOR=222244]Israel[/COLOR]) is the son of [COLOR=222244]Isaac[/COLOR] and [COLOR=222244]Rebecca[/COLOR] and the father of the twelve founders of the twelve tribes of Israel. He was born holding his twin brother [COLOR=222244]Esau[/COLOR]'s heel, and his name is explained as meaning "holder of the heel" or "supplanter", because he twice deprived his brother of his rights as the firstborn son (see Genesis 27:36). Other theories claim that it is in fact derived from a hypothetical name like [COLOR=222244]יַעֲקֹבְאֵל[/COLOR] (Ya'aqov'el) meaning "may God protect".

Now, the meaning behind the name Israel:

[COLOR=222222]The name Israel is a Hebrew baby name. In Hebrew the meaning of the name Israelis: May God prevail. He struggles with God. God perseveres; contends. In the bible when Jacob was in his nineties as a token of blessing God changed his name to Israel.[/COLOR]

I have a hard time with all of that; I tend to kinda skip over it because of the whole man/angel/God thing... For what seems like the first time in his life, he's actually running INTO and facing his struggles instead of running away... Always running off until now. What changed? Did he just get sick of running? Why wrestle with an unknown character in the middle of the night, and FORCE it/He to bless him?!? Wow, Jacob was really really spoiled or stubborn or insistent or...something