Worms...AGAIN. Please help...I dont know what I can use now!

[Eradicator]

Effectiveness of wet DE is debatable, but it diesn't change it's shape because it's wet, it is still like little shards of glass that punctures the soft bodies of nematodes.

 

[Eradicator]

We have sizes listed and thats what it is. This product was made for bulldogs by a bulldogger and roosters by a roosterman. Gamefowl usually weigh over 4 pounds.

 

[casportpony]

Those with small birds *can* use these, just cut the tabs in 1/2's or 1/4's:

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TRIFEN PLUS
TABS
Broad spectrum dewormer residual effect
ARANDA, SA de CV, LABORATORIES
FORMULA:
Each tablet contains:

Abamectin

0.2 mg
Albendazole

30 mg
Excipient cbp 1 tablet.​

PURPOSE:
Poultry combat.
INDICATIONS:
To treat infections caused by gastroenteric parasites including roundworms and tapeworms (Heterakis gallinae and H. gallinarum, Raillietina spp, Ascaridia galli, Syngamus trachea and brushed obsignata).
Treatment of mite infestations as Coruco Ornithonyssus silviarum and lice as Columbicola columbae.

DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION:

DOSE:
Birds of combat: 1 tablet per kg.
ADMINISTRATION: Oral.

WARNINGS:

If birds are to be used for human consumption, discontinue treatment 30 days before. Do not administer to hens in production. Store in a cool, dry place away from direct sunlight. Keep out of reach of children and pets. This product is exclusively veterinary use. Consult your veterinarian. Its sale requires a prescription.
PRESENTATIONS:

Bottles with 25, 50 and 100 tablets.

-Kathy

 

[BobDBirdDog]

Worm Awareness and ways to help prevent
Before reading this, please note it is not my recommended treatments for fowl, but only an enlightenment to the subject of worms.

The table at the below is a short table of meds that is used for treating worms in dogs. What many people don't know is that many of the meds are universal in use and treatment meaning they are used for other livestock, poultry, "species specific", and a few are used in Humans as well. In saying that some may not be recommended for chickens and needs to be researched for dosages depending on species. As a human, do not take any of these meds without doing extensive research and verification. Then use or do so at your own risk on self and livestock as well.

For example:
Ivermectrin- Kills heart worms in dogs, used on cow, chicken, dog, goat.......brand name for dogs is heartgard.....
Strongid-T and Nemex- aka Pyrantel pamoate- is given to dogs but is also prescribed for humans.

However.......
The point of the post is more to make people aware of 2 things:

1. There are more than 1 type of worms.
2. One type of treatment/medicine is not a universal "fix or kill all" for all types of worms.

Note: Treatment for heartworms is risky as it can kill an animal if it has adult worms existing in the animal body (heart). These worms must be killed off slowly so they deteriorate/break down and are absorbed. A quick detachment of a whole worm would send the worm through the arteries thus clotting the artery and blood flow, brain, etc thus causing death. Do so under the advice and supervision of a vet. Animals should be tested first for heartworms.**Not effective against Dipylidium caninum, the tapeworm transmitted by fleas.
+Not effective against Uncinaria, the Northern hookworm.
++Also effective against fleas, flea eggs, ticks, and certain mites. Applied topically

Ingredients

LargeRound

Hook

Tape

Whip

Heart-
worms

Need
RX

safePreg-

Min.A/W

Prowormer•2®

Pyrantel
pamoate

x

x

2 wks

NemexTM-2

Pyrantel
pamoate

x

x

2 wks

Droncit®

Praziquantel

x

x

x

4 wks

Drontal® Plus

Praziquantel,
Pyrantel
pamoate,
Fenbendazole

x

x

x

x

x

3 wks
& 2 lbs

Panacur®

Fenbendazole

x

x

x **

x

x

x

None

Heartgard
Plus

Ivermectin,
Pyrantel
pamoate

x

x

x

x

x

6 wks

Heartgard
Chewables

Ivermectin

x

x

x

6 wks

Sentinel®

Milbemycin
oxime

x

x +

x

x

x

x

4 wks
& 2 lbs

Revolution®++

Selamectin

x

x

x

6 wks

Tri-Heart® Plus

Ivermectin,
Pyrantel
pamoate

x

x

x

x

x

6 wks

Safe-Guard
Granules

Fenbendazole

x

x

x **

x

x

6 wks

Advantage MultiTM++

Imidacloprid/Moxidectin

x

x

x

x

x

n/d

7 wks/3 lbs

Iverhart MaxTM

Ivermectin/Pyrantel
/Praziquantel

x

x

x

x

x

n/d

8 wks

Trifexis

Milbemycin oxime
/Spinosad

x

x

x

x

x

8 wks/5 lbs

Ingredients

Large Round

Hook

Tape

Whip

Heart

RX

Safe
During

Min.Age/
Weight
**Not effective against Dipylidium caninum, the tapeworm transmitted by fleas.
+Not effective against Uncinaria, the Northern hookworm.
++Also effective against fleas, flea eggs, ticks, and certain mites. Applied topically.​

The above table is copyright of http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=1086. Reuse under "Fair Use, public knowledge and Educational purpose" claim/acts.


More to awareness and treatments (notice the plural in treatments). Most treatments work by paralyzing the adult worm which starves to death. The pluralized worm detaches from the intestine and is voided/pooped out and since it is paralyzed its body cannot function and deteriorates. Most meds are ineffective on unhatched eggs.One treatment does not rid a species of particular livestock of worms. Worms lay eggs internally of the livestock. These eggs hatch every 14-21 days producing new/more worms in the body, when mature they repeat the cycle of laying eggs. MULTIPLE Treatments of meds must be cycled (given) for a particular type of worm based on the egg hatching life cycle for at least 3 treatments minim (I do 5) in order to eradicate the worms from the body.

Worm eggs are also expelled in void/poop/fecal and deposited on the ground and may even survive in the paralyzed adult worm which has been expelled. Worm eggs are not visible to the naked eye and have a sticky hard outer shell that protects it from most natural elements, their shell is the safe house that ensures their survival. The worm egg can survive in the ground during extreme hot and cold weather conditions for over a year. Because of this, the above medical treatment does not ensure that a re-occurrence of worms will not resurface as the worm egg can be re-introduced to livestock from worm eggs that are previously expelled on the ground. This may create the illusion making the treatments seem ineffective when in fact they are. If you are confirmed that your live stock has worms, ground treatment is also necessary. Certain house hold chemicals and fire (sever temp) is an eggs enemy.

Ground treatment- There are several ways to chemically treat the ground. Ammonia, Bleach/chlorine, and other specialized chemicals. My favorite is fire as I do not know of anything that survives a fire except a dragon and that is mythical! Ammonia and Bleach cannot be mixed as it produces a toxic gas which is harmful to all. Ammonia and Bleach will not kill the egg directly, but it will cause the outer shell to become weakened (broken down) which makes it more susceptible to weather and other elements.

A 1,2,3,4,5,6 punch treatment can be very effective in pens. Be aware that spray means saturate, but remove livestock fist.
Also do all the below at your own risk!

Day 1-Spray the infected area/ground with Ammonia
Day 2-Spray the infected area/ground with Bleach (hint: Certain Swimming pool chemicals can mix up for a heavy dose of Chlorine which is what kills all ,aka bleach.)
Day 3- Set the infected area/ground on Fire.
Kerosene works well and the fire will kill off all elements.
Use a sprayer full of kerosene to keep the fire going for several minutes.
Do small areas at any one time as to control the fire.
A garden hose is recommended while doing this.
((((((Pause and Rake the ground as to turn the soil)))))).

Day 4-Spray the infected area/ground with Ammonia
Day 5-Spray the infected area/ground with Bleach
Day 6- Set the infected area/ground on Fire.


Updated for citing and table corrections.

 

[casportpony]

@BobDBirdDog , all references regarding Safeguard (fenbendazole) in dogs say to use it at least three days in a row.





-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

You know what I would like to see? I would like to see an endorsement from an avian veterinarian and one from a small animal vet.

-Kathy

 

[enola]

I would like to know where it is manufactured.

 

[casportpony]

Seems expensive:

LARGE

70-100LBS.

INFO

$5.00 EA.​

Medium

30-60 lbs.

$3.50 ea.​

Small

4-15 lbs.

$1.50 ea.​

1 Year supply 1 dog (Large)

60-100 lbs.

(15 capsules)

$70.00​

1 year supply 1 dog (Med.)

30-60 lbs.

(15 capsules)

$50.00​

1 year supply 1 Puppy/Small dog/Rooster

4-15 lbs.

(15 capsules)

$20.00​

*Discount pricing on bulk orders.
-Kathy

 

[BobDBirdDog]

@BobDBirdDog , all references regarding Safeguard (fenbendazole) in dogs say to use it at least three days in a row.





-Kathy

Yes I agree, depending on initial does and maintenance doses, weight, and all factors of intent included....I do a initial of 3 days and lesser strengths as followups. The post, as I noted, must be researched and taken into consideration, it is in no way an absolute solution or advice..Thanks for pointing that out though.

 

[Eradicator]

Fenbendazole in Worm Eradicator is only in the product for Whipworms in canines and Capillary worms in poultry. Both of these gets cleared out with 1 dose of Fenbendazole. Fenbendazole is the best choice for eradication of those two species of worms.