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Those are live weights right? The second set of numbers? The first one from 1948 days dressed weight, so can't directly compare, other than guess.

Just a quick point of fact. I have not gone outside the breed to make any improvements in my current breeds. Not to say that I wouldn't if needed, but have not. Outcrosses were between different lines because it was needed, it's the only way to make improvement in some cases, and if you know...

I've heard it a lot too, although it's mostly novices saying it. Which makes sense because they're mostly the ones that get wrapped up in the "purebred line" gibberish, while most the experience folks care more that it fits the description (all descriptions, including production, I'm looking at...

I care about all Standard bred poultry. Just see everywhere people get obsessed with "lines" and it hurts the breeds as a whole. I tried Javas for a while, as well as almost all the other breeds derived from the Langshan, but just weren't for me. That said, believe what you want, I was just...

There was no change to Mottled, it has a very specific definition. You're being fed a story. Also, almost all our breeds are a combination, and other breeds being turned into others. Unless you raise jungle fowl, or a breed old enough its origins are completely shrouded. The Java is a relative...

Ok, but the point is if it meets the physical description of a Java, and produces like a Java should...it is a Java. If it's a "Java" from a "bloodline" that's allegedly pure for "X" years, but doesn't represent the physical or production aspects of the breed, it isn't a Java worth propagating...

That's just it, this whole "pure blood lines" thing is hogwash in poultry. I'm aware of the history of the Java, my breed was one of the ones used to create it. Was just saying if people really are concerned with preserving the breed, they need to get over the obsession with "bloodlines", breed...

People get way too attached to named lines. Once the original breeder of that line stops having input on the breeder selection and culling it really isn't truly that line anymore. Chickens aren't pedigreed, best advice for the breed would be either outcross as suggested, or ditch the inferior...

Fantastic! You're doing excellent work with them!

Wow, those are some amazing Barred Plymouth Rocks, your Reserve of Breed there is a nice placement! Very nice Sumatra and Phoenix too. I love seeing shows in other parts of the country, we never have Barreds up here (some amazing Whites though!), and never see Phoenix or LF Game.

Definitely need to see pictures of this event. Just an FYI It gets faster, takes me about 5-10 minutes per bird if that. Nothing more striking than a freshly prepared White bird.

This made me laugh because when I used to breed OEGB we told people their eggs were low cholesterol, of course this claim was true because they were very small eggs!

Keep in mind this is likely written with commercial egg layers in mind, which are quite a bit different than a true standard bred bird. Remember part of the breeding process of commercial birds was finding ways to make them productive on cheap waste ingredients to increase profit margins...

Just because... ...Buff Leghorns are awesome and lay like machines

Check into local poultry clubs to, there should be some club run non-fair shows in your area, that part of the country is kind of a hotbed for poultry. There is a world of difference between fairs (which even when sanctioned draw a different crowd) and shows. Fairs usually last longer which...

Well, yeah, have to promote the breed. I'll have to get some ranging pictures if my friend convinces me to build the large range pens for the adults this summer! (Edit: nobody looks good right now in the breeding pens, the male's favorite could almost pass for a naked neck right now. LOL) And...

Best thing to do is attend some local shows and make some connections with real breeders and poultrymen instead of internet "superstars". The vast majority of breeders are eager to find enthusiastic newcomers to their breed, to share stock and knowledge. Especially with the long time breeders...

Where are you located? I thought I had seen at one point that you were in WA State, there's quite a few shows up here, some are double events double events. Wash Feather Fanciers Spring Show is always in Monroe in March PNPA Spring Double Show is 3rd weekend in April (it was cancelled this...

Could this be feed related? Throw in some corn, marigold extract or alfalfa and see if it doesn't yellow them up. If not, just make sure you keep some of the yellow ones around, yellow is recessive if I remember correctly, so if you breed yellow to yellow you should only get yellow.

The problem is as much misinformation as information, and a lot of the blind leading the blind. Too many "internet experts" with a pretty website and a flashy story. Then as mentioned, many of the most knowledgable breeders and poultrymen in the country are not on-line at all. Lucky there's a...