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I saw a pic of a Silver Tolbunt Wyandotte bantam once, you are right, not that interesting. Basically looks like a bad silver lace because of the white tips on the feathers.

Hi Walt, Hopefully I can shed some light on your above statement. We do have a standard on the site, it is in the process of being reviewed. The standard was written based on the limited info we had at the time on the variety. The standard was written thus, " TOLBUNT COLOR DESCRIPTION Plumage...

Quote: Really? Because previously in this thread itself, it was discussed for a good while with the vice President of the PBC that what said is the old standard, and in fact the proposal IS to be gold laced. I haven't seen ANY birds yet without lacing. ETA - If it shouldn't be gold laced...

Quote: your rooster is simply a poorly colored gold laced, nothing more. with gold lace a common problem can be too much white showing up in the crest and sometimes in the wings or tail. he also looks to have a crooked tail, unless that's just how he was posed. if his tail is crooked do not...

I found a better pic of a half Orloff hen: Quote:

spangled old english are b.b. reds with mahoghany and spangling added. this mean you would be adding the e+ (b.b. red) coloring, which as far as I know doesn't exist in Polish, so you'd be adding yet another gene to try and breed out.

correct Josh, which is why I said I "suppose it would work, if you breed back to the Tollbunt side following that" this is to regain the modifiers that give that dark gold color. Silver lace is not the best choice for making the cross, nor is buff lace.

Quote: I wish I could recall who owned that bird, I saw it at that show. Excellent size as well. It was at the APA/ABA meet in Indianapolis in 06

The proposed Tollbunt standard listed on the Polish club site was written prior to the new knowledge. So now what we're aiming for is basically a gold lace bird with white tipped feathers. Rewriting the proposed Tollbunt standard is on our to-do list. Tollbunts are a lot like Crele Polish in...

http://bob_152.webs.com/rareandunusuals.htm click the pic of the tollbunt on this link, this is the cock I started with. He was I think 2 years old in that pic. in the background are the orloffs. One had very little spangling on her, so it was possible that the F1 hen I showed earlier was out...

Quote: That we did not fully understand either. You're right if it were true mottled they should have been mottled in both generations. I must reiterate that the Tollbunt blood I had to work with was not properly colored, but at the time we did not know that. Not to veer too far off subject...

Quote: Just curious, but why wouldn't laced birds be the best cross? Silver lace would be an ok cross I suppose, provided you use the tollbunt roo over the silver lace hens, and only use the pullets from that mating in future crosses back to the tollbunt. As for using white cresteds, you'll...

Two things I recall folks having trouble with were crooked toes and crooked breast bones.

http://www.polishbreedersclub.com/tolbunt.htm click that link and look at the hens in the pic labeled: "diepenbroek Tolbunts from Europe." F1 Tollbunt over Russian Orloff: 1/2 1/2 (right up against the fence in the foreground F2 Rooster 3/4 Polish 1/4 Orloff

Quote: Can we get a closer pic of the roo in the background there? Turtle Feathers: I'd say use the gold lace bantam if possible. I've seen buff lace x tollbunt and its one of those things where you are adding more genes that you have to breed out later. You may want to consider some bantam...

Quote: I'd recommend gold lace polish to cross to him. You could start your own line of tollbunt Polish bantams

Josh, he's lacking lacing in the head, hackle and beard. with the rest of the body being so laced it makes the bird look unbalanced. just remember, by the bantam standard the cocks need only a black v tip on the hackles, saddles, and shoulders...although I breed for a bird with as much lacing...

Not sure when the first were imported or by who truthfully, but I know the majority of what came here came out of England as eggs. Would have most likely been at the turn of the century (early 2000's). (and as a side note...so cool to be able to say things like "at the turn of the century!")...

Josh, There's a lot of outdated information out there regarding Tollbunt Polish, frankly due to the fact that we hadn't much of a clue how to go about breeding them when we first got them. Speaking as someone who tried the Orloff cross it is a complete waste of time, don't do it. That being...