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sorry guys..my fault.. somone asked for a visual..couple of us gave one thou be it old one..then we rolled away from your discussion..I apologise,, I thought I was on a different thread clicked this one by mistake.

the face and eye shape is entirely different always has been..but the body shape is the same..there are differences..they were all heading in the same direction but used entirely different birds to get there..it should have been done a long time ago.

nevermind..i found her nice color

a really nice tour 3riverschick..i couldnt find the champion maran hen thou..

there is no black orp perfection visual walt..i think we discussed this..plus several others..if it wasnt for someone recording their recipie would you ever know by looking that there was white dorking in the foundation of white orp or that it took breeder 5 years to get rid of the 5th...

the inside cover says dedicated by APA. you can go read it for yourself....walt...its really old..didnt mean to upset anybody, just thought it was cute...thats all Kellerstraus is an advertisement that was inside the sussex book dedicated by APA..nothing more..they are gone...long gone..there...

I know walt...thier old.......thats why I keep saying APA needs to update this..most people are visual ..you can describe the grand canyon but nothing like seeing it.. then you cant post the standard so that doesnt help much either..hoping some of todays APA people take the time to write , with...

Here is an oldie but goodie..dedicated to APA in its day with standard of the day. free to read online or download, should be updated by todays pros. still some advise ect in there http://archive.org/stream/historyofsussexf00brat#page/n51/mode/2up