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Thank You for this wonderful thread @ChicKat so much was discussed and I think we all learned a lot through the conversations, discussions, walk-thrus and pictures.

He could be a recessive white but my guess is he is likely just a really light colored male and since he is only just over 1week old the tips of his feathers will likely be white. My guess is in the next week or 2 you will see the gray on the wings also. When you are able to get a pic of him...

I agree. I think it would be wonderful and so educational to see all the different variations of CL out there. A Cream Legbar only show would be great. If it were possible a show like that could really open up some eyes and help people see the reality of what we have, and to see what they all...

Thank You. I will keep an eye on that and pay attention to the feed and ingredients. I usually wait until they are mature to see if they turn white, they usually do. A few birds that had a yellow tinge I did rehome, but for other faults also.

I agree on both of these. He looks like a nice warm pale butter cream color, hid hackles and saddles seemingly match. The cream does seem to show up and stand out against the white in the tail and wing triangle. I would like to see more barring in the wing triangle and I do not prefer the white...

I don't think that your male is a cull, Im glad you didn't listen to the ones telling you that that was the case, I think he can be extremely beneficial to your breeding program, he has some great qualities. And I think many of us agree that white is too much of an extreme of the light end.

The Cream Legbar male I started with a few years back In my opinion was gorgeous, I loved just about everything about him. This male just had a little too much color to be correct with the standard. I still used this male in my breeding program as my mian cock and he produced some fantastic...

I agree with everything said above. Even to my eye using just the pic provided, the hens look like good Cream candidates as well. I think your male, again going by just the one picture, that Sunny is a good example of a Cream Legbar, depending on your goals I think only a few small things need...

I don't think anyone is asking people to give up working on what they want to breed towards. Know one is asking any of you to stay in the "main" group. I think you misunderstand or maybe we are not being clear. As we all have mentioned we believe this second variety is possible with a dedicated...

LOL sorry.

The 3 pics of mine showing the saddle and wing area above are actually 3 different males. Im not sure if that was what you were going for or not. If you need something specific let me know and I will sort through my pics for you.

I think this is an absolutely fantastic idea. This could be so beneficial to figuring out what people have and what is ideal (as well as the low and high end). I would also be interested in doing this, if enough people wanted to participate and we could figure out a way to record it all and make...

I agree, and I have also said this from the beginning, that people trying to come up with a new standard right now will only hinder the process of the Cream Legbar getting accepted with its current proposed Standard. Trying to split what we have into 2 varieties will in my opinion confuse some...

So these 5 (or more) APA members who are working with Cream Legbar, if they want to be part of this acceptance, could you break it down for those of us that are wondering, what would specifically be required of them. How do they show proof that their birds are breeding true at least 50% of the...

That is great to hear! I hope you grow out some great looking males and females. How many CL chicks have you hatched this year so far?

From what I gather reading the SOP, chestnut is allowed on the back, not in the saddle. Back - Cream, barred with dark gray, some chestnut permissible Saddle - cream, barred with dark gray, edged in cream Unless I misunderstand what is written.

Sorry I might have misunderstood - I thought you were asking for pics to be posted of males that show matching cream saddle and hackles and lacked color in the wing triangle.

Here is my male that I consider a buttery cream almost matching hackle and saddle and his wing triangle is free of color. I do feel this males hackles are a bit pale and could benefit by having a slightly warmer butter colored hackle. The pictures with the snow as the background really show his...

I think you are absolutely correct in the sense that we need gold genetics and the red inhibitors, mahogany etc(I don't know proper terms I am not good at genetics lol). Those genes are needed to work to get the cream color we have in our Cream Legbars. I dont think there should be absence of...

The size of the crest plays a very big part on whether or not combs will flop curve or do any other "weird" things. Ideally males should have a small crest to make room for the large straight comb to grow properly. On your male specifically he seems to currently have an upright straight comb and...