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It is always sunny in Cali....almost always. The last Shamo I posted was...according to Julia, was the bird she got from your dad in 89. Walt

Are you in GB? Do you recognize the Shamo I posted in my last post? Walt

Witch bud, You don't know anything about me or what I know about orientals, what my Asils look like etc, etc. You have to know the weight of one individual to guess weights. It can't be done online. Condition alone...as you should know ..can change the weight of a bird. I'm 74......I have been...

Well they are jk birds and nothing has ever been put into them. I have raised Asils since 1970, so I know what Asils look like. check and post your birds in the Oriental thread here., When I posted the same pics they knew where the birds came from BEFORE I disclosed the source...read it...

These are from Julia in Great Britain...they are the real deal. Who did you talk to? Carl? Serious breeders of O Shamo's know these birds and this line and can recognize them from pictures. I raise Asils too and there is nothing about these birds that look like Asils and I don't know how anyone...

Whatever you like to think sir. People know these birds. Walt

This time O Shamo. Young pair This young female is 9 lbs. The cock a lot more. Walt

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Here is one that patrols my yard. Walt

Quote: From the pics you posted Whats more desirable as far as feather type in shamo. The type of feathers on your blacks shamo, or the dark shamo Roo. I want hard feathers in all my Shamo's. Walt

Quote: LOVE your mottled and black! Question is - Mottling was originally not a Shamo color, was it obtained from Asils, Thais, or Brazilians? I believe barring was from Brazilians. . . But I've no certainty at all. Well, looks like I'll finally be suiting up my only stag for show pretty...

A dark Shamo standing in station. Walt

Head shot of an old black male Pic of a 3yo black female (background) with her 8 month old son (foreground) looking at the camera. Walt

Rather than using numbers, lets just say that I use over 50# of feed per day here. A year ago it was 100# per day. Walt

IMO Shamo's are not a breed for beginners. Mine will start fighting at 3 weeks and there is usually very dire consequences. The males and females do not always get along either. I introduce my matings very slowly through a cage within a cage so that they become used to each other before they can...