4-H-er thread!

[I Love Layers]

Also I won everything thus year mainly cause no one else washed their birds

 

[prizepete]

Good job at your fair guys! prizepete, I am surprised that you got marked down in showmanship for what the judge thought was a hatchery bird. As long as the bird is healthy, it shouldn't matter what breed it is in showmanship. Our county fair was a while ago, but MI State Fair was the first week in Sept. This was the first time I had exhibited there. Tons of fun! Grand champion rabbit showman, reserve grand poultry showman. When is everyone else's State Fair?

the judge was a weird dude. normally judges are polite and wait until the exhibitors are not in the room to start trash talking their breed

Is it a frizzle? It looks half and half. I've seen birds not do well cause they aren't exactly frizzled or smooth

She is silkied, the girl who won was using a frizzle serama.

 

[waddles99]

Well, there is a difference in trash talking and constructive criticism. If I was a judge, I would have no problem telling someone the faults of their birds. It helps them improve and learn what a good [breed] looks like. Now trash talking, on the other hand....not a good idea.

 

[I Love Layers]

the judge was a weird dude. normally judges are polite and wait until the exhibitors are not in the room to start trash talking their breed




She is silkied, the girl who won was using a frizzle serama.

I could see being silkied and not getting 1st just because of the feather quality etc.

 

[prizepete]

Well, there is a difference in trash talking and constructive criticism. If I was a judge, I would have no problem telling someone the faults of their birds. It helps them improve and learn what a good [breed] looks like. Now trash talking, on the other hand....not a good idea.

I understand that, but he was saying, in front of us, that seramas are not going to make it as a breed because they do not yet breed true consistently. yes, my favorite part of showmanship is learning how i can improve myself, or my animal.

I could see being silkied and not getting 1st just because of the feather quality etc.

yeah, and the cages where horrible on feathers, but second to last out of 7 people isn't ok when its just off feather quality

 

[waddles99]

I understand that, but he was saying, in front of us, that seramas are not going to make it as a breed because they do not yet breed true consistently. yes, my favorite part of showmanship is learning how i can improve myself, or my animal.

yeah, and the cages where horrible on feathers, but second to last out of 7 people isn't ok when its just off feather quality

Was he APA?

 

[Yellow House Farm]

I understand that, but he was saying, in front of us, that seramas are not going to make it as a breed because they do not yet breed true consistently. yes, my favorite part of showmanship is learning how i can improve myself, or my animal.

yeah, and the cages where horrible on feathers, but second to last out of 7 people isn't ok when its just off feather quality

This isn't "trash talking." Trash talk would be something like, "I don't like your bird because it's dumb," or something silly like that. Saying that he/she doesn't believe that a still rather experimental breed isn't going to make it in the long term--something that is very, very possible--because they don't breed true, is rather an astute observation of a distinct possibility.

Many, if not most of the Seramas I've seen are of fair to poor quality, and they are most often color mutts. Breeds only become strong when a very few colors become the focus of the attention AND high quality, experienced breeders take them on as a worthy project. I know of very--very--few experience breeders, actually only one, that are working with Seramas at all.

None of this is trash-talking, at all. It's a reality of bona fide chicken breeding. The fact that one likes a breed, or likes the idea of a breed, doesn't make it good just because one wants it to be good. Quality only comes with sustained, focused breeding over many seasons with strict, cautious--and limited--selection criteria, agreed upon by all serious breeders.

It sounds to me that this judge was saying what needs to be said. He/She may not have said it in a honeyed fashion, and maybe that's not the ideal. However, if it' the truth, only the truth in breeding will lead to good Seramas over time.

 

[I Love Layers]

This isn't "trash talking." Trash talk would be something like, "I don't like your bird because it's dumb," or something silly like that. Saying that he/she doesn't believe that a still rather experimental breed isn't going to make it in the long term--something that is very, very possible--because they don't breed true, is rather an astute observation of a distinct possibility.

Many, if not most of the Seramas I've seen are of fair to poor quality, and they are most often color mutts.  Breeds only become strong when a very few colors become the focus of the attention AND high quality, experienced breeders take them on as a worthy project.  I know of very--very--few experience breeders, actually only one, that are working with Seramas at all.

None of this is trash-talking, at all. It's a reality of bona fide chicken breeding. The fact that one likes a breed, or likes the idea of a breed, doesn't make it good just because one wants it to be good. Quality only comes with sustained, focused breeding over many seasons with strict, cautious--and limited--selection criteria, agreed upon by all serious breeders.

It sounds to me that this judge was saying what needs to be said. He/She may not have said it in a honeyed fashion, and maybe that's not the ideal. However, if it' the truth, only the truth in breeding will lead to good Seramas over time.

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Your bird might've been good for seramas, but compared to the other birds it wasn't up to quality. At my show there was a really good Barnvelder, but my Cochin was of better quality for the cochin breed

 

[prizepete]

Was he APA?

yes, and ABA

This isn't "trash talking." Trash talk would be something like, "I don't like your bird because it's dumb," or something silly like that. Saying that he/she doesn't believe that a still rather experimental breed isn't going to make it in the long term--something that is very, very possible--because they don't breed true, is rather an astute observation of a distinct possibility.

Many, if not most of the Seramas I've seen are of fair to poor quality, and they are most often color mutts. Breeds only become strong when a very few colors become the focus of the attention AND high quality, experienced breeders take them on as a worthy project. I know of very--very--few experience breeders, actually only one, that are working with Seramas at all.

None of this is trash-talking, at all. It's a reality of bona fide chicken breeding. The fact that one likes a breed, or likes the idea of a breed, doesn't make it good just because one wants it to be good. Quality only comes with sustained, focused breeding over many seasons with strict, cautious--and limited--selection criteria, agreed upon by all serious breeders.

It sounds to me that this judge was saying what needs to be said. He/She may not have said it in a honeyed fashion, and maybe that's not the ideal. However, if it' the truth, only the truth in breeding will lead to good Seramas over time.

ok... but It still was NOT ok to say these things around kids who are spending their own money to breed and show these animals.

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Your bird might've been good for seramas, but compared to the other birds it wasn't up to quality. At my show there was a really good Barnvelder, but my Cochin was of better quality for the cochin breed

I agree, It just bugged me that he said that i shouldn't buy hatchery birds for showmanship.

 

[I Love Layers]

yes, and ABA

ok... but It still was NOT ok to say these things around kids who are spending their own money to breed and show these animals. 

I agree, It just bugged me that he said that i shouldn't buy hatchery birds for showmanship.

 

I see no problem with it. He was telling you an important piece of information, whether it came out snarky depends on the person.