Peahen is sick[poop picture included]

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ralgal said:
Hello,

Sorry for the late reply!
Taking your advice I called a few vets and asked them if they will take a look at my peahen and analyze her poop. I took her yesterday afternoon when she wasn't freling better.
He inspected and microsocped her poop and told me there are no parasites or parasite eggs in her sample. He told me I should give her the following treatment( some of it is human medication) :
1. Furazolidona - a quarter of a human 100mg pill x 2 per/day
2. Tontil - 2 ml x 2 times/day
3. Viusid - a quarter of an envelope combined with a bit of water per day.

I returned home and started her evening treatment at about 6 PM. She seemed weaker than ever because she hasnt eaten in days. After making sure she swallowed all the medicine I let her sit in her shed for 2 hours. At 8 Pm i came over and checked on her. I tried feeding her some bread and it worked. She ate a bit of that! I am very happy!
I hope tomorrow she will be eating normally again.
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Here's hoping she continues to improve!
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By the way, I was re-reading your first post, and I noticed that the vet has you giving her quite a lot of medicine every month. I'm trying to figure out what that is about, and whether that may be impacting her. @casportpony , did you happen to see that long list at the end of post #1? @ralgal , can you tell us why the vet has her on so many medications for five days each month? Does the hen have a history of illness?

We are all pulling for her to get better -- hang in there!
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GP
 
Hello,
@Garden Peas - that medicine was recommended by one of the best veterinary doctor for birds( pefowl, pidgeons, contest birds) in Romania. Its in small quantities. What I wrote above is the contents on the package. I mix 1 gram of that with 1 kg of food and use this to feed my peacocks.

He said it is the best way to prevent histomonasis.
My peahen is getting better. Still not well enough to say she is cured. She slept in her usual place instead of her pen last night!
 
Garden Peas said:
Quote: All of those meds together should treat just about everything... E. coli, NE, coccidiosis and blackead (histomoniasis). It's what I would do, though I use different meds, I use enrofloxacin (Baytril), metronidazole, fenbendazole, amprolium and toltrazuril. In addtion to those, I tube fluids, lots of fluids, then fluids and baby bird food.

As every month, maybe the vet has a reason? I only use them is one of mine gets sick.

-Kathy
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Short history of vaccines and deworming said:
Hello,
@Garden Peas - that medicine was recommended by one of the best veterinary doctor for birds( pefowl, pidgeons, contest birds) in Romania. Its in small quantities. What I wrote above is the contents on the package. I mix 1 gram of that with 1 kg of food and use this to feed my peacocks.

He said it is the best way to prevent histomonasis.
My peahen is getting better. Still not well enough to say she is cured. She slept in her usual place instead of her pen last night!
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Hi @ralgal ! So glad your hen is improving!!!
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One of my favorite things about being on BYC is that we are an international community... we hear about different practices and medications from around the world. It's interesting and we benefit, learning what other folks do. One of the interesting aspects is the medications, which vary in different countries as to what is included in the medication and how it is used. I hadn't seen anything like what you are describing as being packaged together. Is there any chance you could post a photo of the package label and contents/directions? It's very interesting...

It looks like @casportpony just chimed in as I was writing this -- I was hoping for her thoughts, because she's really knowledgeable about bird meds.

I'm trying to figure out with that medication that your vet prescribed, what dosages the bird receives on what seems to be a monthly, preventative basis. The metronidazole is aimed at blackhead (histomoniasis, a protozoa), the oxytetracycline is an antibiotic (kills bacteria), I think the furazadilone must be an antifungal (I didin't look it up yet), and I have no clue what the bismuth component would do.

Sometimes meds are given preventatively in small doses, as compared to the larger amounts used to treat active illness. We continue to debate here in the US regarding what meds to give preventatively, and we have various regulations from the government, which are changing this year -- it's always a hot topic.

Also, can you tell us what the Tontil and Viusid are? Or post pics of the labels? Sounds like they are working -- yay!!
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Keep us posted!
 
Hello,

Thank you all for the kind wishes.


The preventive treatment I use for 5 days per month is called:
Enteroguard M. It is available in powder and capsules. I use powder to mix 1 g with 1kg food. Here is the prospect for the powder and capsules (description is in English)
http://www.romvac.ro/en/Blog Posts/enteroguard-m-pulbere.html
http://www.romvac.ro/en/Blog Posts/enteroguard-m-comprimante.html

In canaries, parrots, peacocks and pigeons, the preventive treatment consists in the administration of 1 g of ENTEROGUARD M/kg of food, for 3- 5 consecutive days. The curative treatment consists in the administration of 2 g of ENTERGUARD M /kg of food for 5-6 days.

Do not use the product in birds intended for human consumption.

Here is a picture of Enteroguard M powder:


I think the vet was worried because histomonasis has killed some of my birds in previous years, I used to have a few turkeys.

The other 2 that the same doctor gave me Tonotil and Viusid are Human medicine:
Tonotil - http://www.vian.gr/en/tonotilen or https://www.pharmacysecrets.eu/uk/en/products/tonotil-4-aminoksea-amp-10x10ml#.VzjLK5F96Uk - 2ml x twice per day
It reduces stress, stimulates the appetite, reduces tiredness
Contents :
-l-phosphothreonina: 20mg
-l-glutamine: 75mg
-hidroxocobalamin: 500mcg
-l-phosphoserine: 60mg
-l-arginine: 150mg
-sorbitol, powder: 4,5g


Viusid - http://www.suplments.co.uk/viusid-90-envelopes/ -- 1/4 envelope per day mixed with a bit of water
active substance: Vitamin C - B Vitamins - Zinc - Calcium - Folic acid - I think it's just vitamins since he was doubtful that she would continue to drink water(where I normally put the vitamins) if she stopped eating.

For both Tonotil and Viusid I used a small 2 ml syringe(without the needle) to put the medicine in her beak. When she felt better, and she would eat, I soaked the food and some bread in the Viusid and Tonotil substances and fed them to her as food and other treats.

She seems to be getting better and better a bit every day, she still doesn't eat much but she does move a lot more around the yard. The medicine did not instantly heal her, she is slowly recovering. I will keep you posted.
 
Update:
The peahen is a lot better now. I gave her the treatment for 4 days, she still wasn't eating at all it seemed so I had to force feed her on day 2 and 3. On day 4 she seemed to be pecking at some food and I didn't force feed her. On day 5 she started eating and ever since then she seems to be back to normal.
The medicine took its time to heal her and I was worried there for a few days but it all seems fine.

Thank you all for the suggestions.
 

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