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If white sumatra exist why are there not any hatching eggs or pics posted? I have read threads about them but never a glimpse or not even a breeder at a show w black sumatras w any.are they that rare? Feel like I am chasing a lot of white whales lately.sad

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I'm sure someone will come along and correct this, but the whites are pretty rare.
I hatched out a Splash Sumatra from blue x blue pairing-I believe the white can be a result of a Splash x Splash pairing.
The whites and splashes are not accepted varieties of the Sumatra at this time(not sure if they will ever be) which is why you don't see them at shows.
White Sumatras are beautiful, but they are not particularly desirable by serious breeders. 
If I had one, I'd keep it around just for my own enjoyment.
Like I said, if this information is incorrect, someone will come along and correct it.

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post #3 of 77

George Conner breeds white sumatra.
He is on BYC....  not sure his name,  but you will find him on the peafowl section smile
or email him at
gacunicorn1@yahoo.com

I sent him several of my blues and blacks last year... 
Tell him I said hi!

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There HAVE been whites and they were real sports from black breeding. Really good black breeding. There are issues with color as they are not a silver white, faces way too red etc. at least on those I saw. But they had type as they came from god blacks. There is a white Sumatra thread on the Onagadori site as well.

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Originally Posted by DaveK 

There HAVE been whites and they were real sports from black breeding. Really good black breeding. There are issues with color as they are not a silver white, faces way too red etc. at least on those I saw. But they had type as they came from god blacks. There is a white Sumatra thread on the Onagadori site as well.


Really?  They came from black pairings?  Wow, I had no idea(obviously big_smile).
I would really love to get a surprise like that from my black pairings just to have something pretty to look at.
Would the red faces still show up in two parents with a really good gypsy/mulberry face?
Any clue on eye color of these whites?

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http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/59337_splash_ayamsumo4.jpghttp://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/59337_sumo3.jpg
I outcross black sumatra to get me some splash the first cross I got look like this boy
but in the cross I lost the gypsy black face .
eye were still dark, legs green and beautiful long  tail for a seven months old rooster
I throwing this cross back to pure blue hen with a really dark face most of this cross will come out splash hopefully with the desire gypsy face.
most the sumatra breeders dont like white sumatras, coss they are crosses .
I have seen some white sumatras with black face to obtain black face in white sumatras bruggs game was infused to this cross.
bruggs game chickens are dark meat similar in meat color to the cenami chickens.

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post #7 of 77

Ed Wysock of Mass. made White Sumatras about 35 years ago,he used White Phoenix and his Black Sumatras.A friend of mine Fred Van Duesen had some of his,a very attractive flock of over 50   White Sumatra largefowl made a very lovely sight. Richard Schock had them ten years ago.I agree with what has been said here about red faces,light eye color,off color legs and single spurs are also problematic. Richard had similar problems with eye and leg color making White Minorcas.

I do have a question.I believe that splashed to splash would breed true.I wonder if one selected the whitist splashed year after year,if they could make an all white bird  all the dark pigmentation  in plumage and legs removed?Has anyone done this? Recently someone mentioned some wonderful Andalusians and I thought maybe the Splashed could be used to improve White Minorcas?

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Steve Whitaker (Choctaw Valley Farm on here)  has them  http://choctawvalleyfarm.webs.com/sumatras.htm

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post #9 of 77

Steve most likely got his from George Conner.....  both men are very active in the peafowl association.

I have white phoenix and excellent blue black and splash sumatra...  if somebody wants to start that project  I got the birds 

My white phoenix are just free ranging yard birds...  they pretty much live wild here at my house...  I just love seeing them  loose.

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sumatra  http://www.flickr.com/photos/s1gnature/sets/72157617306589553/

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post #10 of 77
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Originally Posted by gallo4319 

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/59337_splash_ayamsumo4.jpghttp://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/59337_sumo3.jpg
I outcross black sumatra to get me some splash the first cross I got look like this boy
but in the cross I lost the gypsy black face .
eye were still dark, legs green and beautiful long  tail for a seven months old rooster
I throwing this cross back to pure blue hen with a really dark face most of this cross will come out splash hopefully with the desire gypsy face.
most the sumatra breeders dont like white sumatras, coss they are crosses .
I have seen some white sumatras with black face to obtain black face in white sumatras bruggs game was infused to this cross.
bruggs game chickens are dark meat similar in meat color to the cenami chickens.


what kind of mating did this rooster come from? if he is splash, shouldnt the black in him be blue?

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