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post #1 of 45
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i have been looking for soy-free, non-gmo, grain-only, organic chicken feed for.....well, forever. 

can anyone point me in a direction i haven't gone yet?

i've looked over the common suppliers listed here and cannot find any who the meet the above criteria. 

help?

post #2 of 45

I think you will be looking a long time. GMO is everywhere now and getting each year. The problem is that pollen travels field to field with the wind and pollen from GMO crops contaminates non-GMO fields. Farmers that have no desire to raise GMO crops end up with GMO strains  mixing with their crop and when they try to save seed they end up with GMO genes in their strain so it's everywhere.

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post #3 of 45

Depends on where you are, but I'm guessing that unless you have a local mill where you can order it custom-made (for a pretty dear price) you probably won't find it. Soy is added for protein - so if soy is removed, you have to add something else (meat or fish proteins) to increase protein. This means that if it doesn't have soy, it will have meat-proteins and won't be grain-only.

Essentially, to have the necessary amount of protein for healthy chickens and healthy eggs, you need something besides grain. However, some people do still feed only cracked corn and it is considered "adequate"... but a lot of the anecdotal evidence (and I believe some actual studies) indicate that the health of the chickens and eggs (and number of eggs or amount of meat) will suffer to an extent.

Perhaps someone else has more details or info....

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post #4 of 45
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Originally Posted by ChickenScratchin 

Soy is added for protein - so if soy is removed, you have to add something else (meat or fish proteins) to increase protein. This means that if it doesn't have soy, it will have meat-proteins and won't be grain-only.

Essentially, to have the necessary amount of protein for healthy chickens and healthy eggs, you need something besides grain. However, some people do still feed only cracked corn and it is considered "adequate"... but a lot of the anecdotal evidence (and I believe some actual studies) indicate that the health of the chickens and eggs (and number of eggs or amount of meat) will suffer to an extent.

Perhaps someone else has more details or info....


soy is added for protein.  it can be found in many other ways - - grains as an example.  they all have protein. 

again, there are many things to provide protein.  soy is only one of them.

post #5 of 45

So I'm guessing you've looked at Countryside? I buy organic, no-soy feed from them (not that I care about soy, really). I am assuming no GMOs, either, since it's organic.

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Originally Posted by gophert 

So I'm guessing you've looked at Countryside? I buy organic, no-soy feed from them (not that I care about soy, really). I am assuming no GMOs, either, since it's organic.


thanks for the response.  and, yes, i have.  if they'd leave out the Fertrell Poultry Nutri-Balancer, i'd be happy with it.

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Originally Posted by eggdd 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickenScratchin 

Soy is added for protein - so if soy is removed, you have to add something else (meat or fish proteins) to increase protein. This means that if it doesn't have soy, it will have meat-proteins and won't be grain-only.

Essentially, to have the necessary amount of protein for healthy chickens and healthy eggs, you need something besides grain. However, some people do still feed only cracked corn and it is considered "adequate"... but a lot of the anecdotal evidence (and I believe some actual studies) indicate that the health of the chickens and eggs (and number of eggs or amount of meat) will suffer to an extent.

Perhaps someone else has more details or info....


soy is added for protein.  it can be found in many other ways - - grains as an example.  they all have protein. 

again, there are many things to provide protein.  soy is only one of them.


Right...but you either won't have ENOUGH protein with grain only, or you won't have enough vitamins/minerals (hence the nutri-balancer). Like I said, you can generally order a custom-made feed from a mill, but the nutrition will be lacking. The caveat is if they free range a LOT in a large area with a lot of different plants, insects (and small animals to kill), then grain-only purely as a supplement might be ok. But they need to get those nutrients missing from grains from somewhere....

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post #8 of 45
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Originally Posted by dirtsaver 

I think you will be looking a long time. GMO is everywhere now and getting each year. The problem is that pollen travels field to field with the wind and pollen from GMO crops contaminates non-GMO fields. Farmers that have no desire to raise GMO crops end up with GMO strains  mixing with their crop and when they try to save seed they end up with GMO genes in their strain so it's everywhere.


x2, even the local mill will likely have GMO grain in their feed.

Theres nothing wrong with GMO, its the same thing as regular grain.

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post #9 of 45
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Originally Posted by ChickenScratchin 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eggdd 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickenScratchin 

Soy is added for protein - so if soy is removed, you have to add something else (meat or fish proteins) to increase protein. This means that if it doesn't have soy, it will have meat-proteins and won't be grain-only.

Essentially, to have the necessary amount of protein for healthy chickens and healthy eggs, you need something besides grain. However, some people do still feed only cracked corn and it is considered "adequate"... but a lot of the anecdotal evidence (and I believe some actual studies) indicate that the health of the chickens and eggs (and number of eggs or amount of meat) will suffer to an extent.

Perhaps someone else has more details or info....


soy is added for protein.  it can be found in many other ways - - grains as an example.  they all have protein. 

again, there are many things to provide protein.  soy is only one of them.


Right...but you either won't have ENOUGH protein with grain only, or you won't have enough vitamins/minerals (hence the nutri-balancer). Like I said, you can generally order a custom-made feed from a mill, but the nutrition will be lacking. The caveat is if they free range a LOT in a large area with a lot of different plants, insects (and small animals to kill), then grain-only purely as a supplement might be ok. But they need to get those nutrients missing from grains from somewhere....


i am asking for assistance with a soy-free, non-gmo, grain based organic feed.  not for diet advice.  i'm not really interested in your opinions on that.


Edited by eggdd - 10/20/11 at 8:17pm
post #10 of 45
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Originally Posted by ChickieBooBoo 

x2, even the local mill will likely have GMO grain in their feed.

Theres nothing wrong with GMO, its the same thing as regular grain.


Yep, we should ignore plenty of studies that beg to differ.



I think a more reasonable thing to say is that in your opinion nothing is wrong them them. smile If someone doesn't like GMO foods, let them go on with their beliefs. That or put some evidence behind your statement. After all, if something is genetically modified from the original, does that make it not the same as the regular? wink

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