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post #11 of 20

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"Farm" pigs are routinely weaned far earlier than 4-8 weeks.  5-10 days is not uncommon and is the norm in both SEW and MEW systems with 14 days being another common cut off point.  The mortality rate of pigs weaned at or around 1 week is NOT 50% unless the farmer is doing something very, very wrong.  Don't believe everything you read online.  Piglets should be up, steady on their feet, rooting and stealing food from the sow by a week old.

The argument that weaning early causes stress and/or fear is moot.  A piglet of any age will be scared and stressed when first separated from their sow, even when done in groups.  I recently took 9 1/2 week old pigs off a sow and they responded just the same as younger pigs; squealing, pacing the fence, calling for the sow, etc.  Fortunately, they're easily distracted and quick to adjust.  Keeping pigs alone stresses them, but that doesn't stop backyard pet breeders from selling them as lone pets. 

Early weaning in potbellies is often used as a way to stunt growth in order to produce "teacup" pigs.  It wouldn't surprise me if that's what your buyer had in mind.

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I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day.   - E.B. White

 

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. - Eleanor Roosevelt

 

The best way to be missed when you're gone is to stand for something while you're here. - Seth Godin

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post #12 of 20

That anyway probably means she just got them and she isn't giving them the time a day to bond so yes i'd turn her down!

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post #13 of 20

We have raised a lot of potbelly pigs for other people in the past, and I can tell you from my experience that I want them young as possible when they come to us. If they are weaned off their mothers they actually adjust worse (for us) to being brought here. If I can take them in within the first week and get them depending on me for their food and seeing me as momma, they are a lot easier to socialize and train. I guess it might vary depending on how the breeder socialized the babies before selling them somewhat, as most around here do not handle the babies at all until the day they sell them. We do not use a bottle, instead we get them eating a formula/oatmeal or cereal mush out of a spoon and into a bowl within the first few feedings. They do great on this method. We have not had anywhere near 50% mortality with taking on unweaned babies. In fact, out of a couple dozen babies I can only think of 1 we lost and he simply got too cold when his heating pad went out and my husband was stuck at work for overtime and I was out of town.

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post #14 of 20

I've never had a issue weaning my babies although eating at 4 weeks I wait 5 weeks.   UNLESS they can see mom and she can see them thats the only thing that really stresses them because I handle them and they are pretty used to being taken  around and being played with  without the mom near Typically unhandled feeder pigs will be stressed if you put them where their mom can cause a ruckas  and they can see her and when pigs are only used to other pigs yes it stresses them.  When you are in the nest with the sow at the time of birth and about every other hour for a whole week  then just every 4-5 hours during the day the piglets tend to just think your another pig. I harness and leash train them and bring them indoors and really do all sorts of things with them. No  bottle feeding doesn't growth stunt a pig thats another silly persons gossip.  My sow raised pigs are actually smaller then a female I bought and raised to a bottle and a boar as well.  As long as the pig is eating normal  there should be no problem. Under feeding stunts growth!   A miniature pig should not have to have a diet to stay small.   I feed 5 gallon bucket a day to 5 pigs and often feed fruits and veggies.

Often sow raised pigs are not handled the woman probably bought 2 - 12 week old pigs and they are scared and wild  and she isn't trying even with them to bond which can be easy done if given time and love and petting!

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post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by LMEggs 

I've never had a issue weaning my babies although eating at 4 weeks I wait 5 weeks.   UNLESS they can see mom and she can see them thats the only thing that really stresses them because I handle them and they are pretty used to being taken  around and being played with  without the mom near Typically unhandled feeder pigs will be stressed if you put them where their mom can cause a ruckas  and they can see her and when pigs are only used to other pigs yes it stresses them.  When you are in the nest with the sow at the time of birth and about every other hour for a whole week  then just every 4-5 hours during the day the piglets tend to just think your another pig. I harness and leash train them and bring them indoors and really do all sorts of things with them. No  bottle feeding doesn't growth stunt a pig thats another silly persons gossip.  My sow raised pigs are actually smaller then a female I bought and raised to a bottle and a boar as well.  As long as the pig is eating normal  there should be no problem. Under feeding stunts growth!   A miniature pig should not have to have a diet to stay small.   I feed 5 gallon bucket a day to 5 pigs and often feed fruits and veggies.

Often sow raised pigs are not handled the woman probably bought 2 - 12 week old pigs and they are scared and wild  and she isn't trying even with them to bond which can be easy done if given time and love and petting!


And how best to do that from the start?  BINGO!  Pull them and limit feed them with a bottle/pan.

I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day.   - E.B. White

 

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. - Eleanor Roosevelt

 

The best way to be missed when you're gone is to stand for something while you're here. - Seth Godin

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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. - Eleanor Roosevelt

 

The best way to be missed when you're gone is to stand for something while you're here. - Seth Godin

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post #16 of 20

You don't feed piglets LESS on a bottle!  You feed them as  they are hungery and start looking for it!  and NO you do not have to pull them off the sow to make them gentle however SOME people think that  it works that way it doesn't make any difference.   Not to mention SOME sows no matter how tame or gentle they are do NOT allow you to mess or make their pigs sqeal or grunt in anyway!  Some people with wilder babies have issues with the sow. Pigs can be mean and dangerous and not every sow should be bred but newbies buy adults pregnant or just don't know and then they have a aggressive sow and wild piglets. Not my case I have good temper sows and  they allow me to handle and be near the pigs all the time.  In no reason should bottle feeding be less food then what they get from the sow.  Piglets get hungery they start sqealing.   I ment underfeeding as the stupid people that buy them and only feed them one cup of food a day!  Oh yeah lets see your dog live on one cup of food a day ?   UNDER feeding them at any young age including after you sell them weaned at 7 weeks even they can read the internet and get information from people that are not experinced  on raising pigs that probably doesn't own but one pig when really they should listen  to the experinced pigmen who have been around pigs their entire life and their parents and grandparents and GREAT grandparents had hogs and pigs.  Under feed at any age and expect a scrawny sick skinny pig.   I've raised hogs and pigs on a bottle as needed and they all  come out healthy and the hogs even turned out larger then siblings due to the fact they got MORE mash and MORE milk and more attention and extra treats.  As far as miniature pigs go they do just as well.

This is Luna  She had been pulled from her mom by a trader who got the sow at auction and she was not a good sow and laid on and mashed all her piglets to death and rejected the one she had left.  Completely wild sow.  This piglet was pulled from her mom at 3 days old then sold to me at a chicken swap.  Pictured at 8 weeks old here.
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/261666_241759152517759_100000510292710_1004527_5905302_n.jpg

This is little man when he was young I have had him since 4 weeks. I bottle fed him as well.  Probably around 11 weeks old pictured here.
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309370_265031246857216_100000510292710_1095292_2931479_n.jpg

This sow,  Also bottle fed, 50 pounds, 15 inchs tall was also bottle fed and is mature.  These are two of her piglets below that SHE raised and I didn't move them off her till they were 6 weeks old.
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/205968_253003144726693_100000510292710_1051045_2131176_n.jpg
This is  bugs a 2 week old  piglet that is a sow raised baby getting attention from me.
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/295978_286483194712021_100000510292710_1177295_1657992760_n.jpg

4 week old Savanna eating her baby mash!
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/311986_280613795298961_100000510292710_1153835_6710287_n.jpg

So before you loop all breeders into that same circle Don't judge them untill you see the pigs Better yet come and see them on farm.  I have nothing to hide. These are my pets.


Edited by LMEggs - 11/4/11 at 9:12pm

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post #17 of 20

I guess sow raised verses bottle raise and weaning age and how they react to weaning will remain a matter of opinion. My husband grew up on a large hog farm, as did the generations before him since they came over to the US from Germany. In fact, they still maintain about 500-750 hogs at any given time, though my husband is no longer part of the running of the farm (his brothers took over when he moved to Texas from Iowa). So he does have a lot of pig experience. I know what my own experiences have been and from those experiences I have concluded that sow raised piglets are not for me.

Also, I do not believe in under feeding to purposely stunt growth, but I do believe in portion control. I have seen very many an obese pot belly who will end up in worse health than a skinny pot belly.

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post #18 of 20

I sow raise my farm pigs, but even the vet said the personality of my pigs is much better than most pigs.  I raise Gloucestershire old spots.

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post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the input and advice, everyone.  The info. I posted on piglets came from pigs4ever.com and these people seem to really know what they are talking about.  I got my boar at 5 weeks old, and have kept him outside from day one.  He has always gotten attention---belly rubs, scratching, and such.  He hasn't been raised being held daily, or dreesed up or kept in a playpen like a human baby, but he remains extremely friendly and not agressive at all.  He actually lays down on my feet when I rub his belly!  My point is this, if he was naturally weaned from his momma and hasn't had lots of cuddling and such from humans and is still so friendly and loving, then I think these piglets of mine will be wonderful housepets even if left with their momma until they are weaned.

I, myself, don't feel comfortable selling a baby under 5-6 weeks old.  I have a feeling that lady wants a pet she can treat like a human baby.

Also, my little boar was given as much food as he wanted when little, and he remains a smaller size.  I feed about 2 cups of feed twice a day with 1/3 cup of cracked corn at each feeding----they don't seem overweight at all.

Just had to add, that Marilyn is not people-friendly at all (I think that once the baby cuteness wore off, her previous owners just stuck her outside and only went out when they fed her.  But she is a great mom----very, very protective of her little darlings.  I wish Marilyn was more friendly, I don't get it, because her previous owners had her from birth, and carried her around and dressed her in doll clothes and had her in the house for quite some time----go figure.

I think any pig's personality has a lot to do with how it is treated.


Edited by drdoolittle - 11/6/11 at 7:08am
Peace.  It does not mean to be in a place where there is no noise, trouble, or hard work.  It means to be in the midst of those things and still be calm in your heart.

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Peace.  It does not mean to be in a place where there is no noise, trouble, or hard work.  It means to be in the midst of those things and still be calm in your heart.

Mommy to 4 dogs; 5 cats; 3 pygmy goats; 3 pot belly pigs; 40 chickens; one Giant Rainbow Plated lizard; and one beautiful blue and gold macaw!!l
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post #20 of 20

my pot bellied pig is gonna have her baby's any day so i wanna be prepared. how old does a baby pot bellied pig have to be to leave its mother?hmm.png

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