on another topic, i picked up 2 NICE red dorking cockerels yesterday... 12-16 weeks old-ish, and already as big as my craig russell roo. AND they LOOK like dorkings too. not like leghorns with 5 toes, like some of the others i've already culled from other sources... these guys are from gene patterson and roger tice lines, and i couldn't be happier with them so far. big, blocky and everything i could hope for (so far). now to get them 'growed up' and my girls too (who are a bit older).