Breed and gender?

[roonster]

Saw these at auction and could not resist getting them!
Is it possible to tell gender by color or other dimorphic
phenotype?
Old fashioned frill/satinette? Oriental frill?
They have leg band, can I search band ID?

 

[LavenderDaFlerf]

@MeanCheek don't you have doves?

 

[roonster]

@MeanCheek don't you have doves?

As far as I know they are pigeons?

 

[LavenderDaFlerf]

As far as I know they are pigeons?

Pigeons probably. shows how little I know about them.

 

[MeanCheek]

Thanks for the mention @Chickengirl2671! I don't really have doves, but I do have lots and lots of pigeons. Pretty much the same thing.
I think they are Old Fashion Frills. Satinette, Blondette, ect. are, from what I understand, colors of the same breed; Old Fashion Frills.
@WVduckchick this is the breed you have right?

 

[MeanCheek]

Oh, and as far as gender, the cocks will soon start hooting and dancing around the hens.
When they start to pair, or if they already have, the cock will feed the hen. (This is going to sound strange, but stay with me) When the feed each other the cock puts his beak into the hens beak.
The girls also don't make as much sound and have a higher voice.

 

[WVduckchick]

Yep, I have about 60 Satinettes/Classic Frills (Old Fashioned), which is what @roonster 's look like to me. Very similar to some Oriental Frills and Owls, but Classic Frills have a bit longer beak (they are able to feed their young, where Orientals cannot)

This site gives a little detail on the multiple color variations - https://www.backtobirds.com/satinette-pigeon/

As far as gender determination, I'm horrible at it! lol! But I have kind learned I can usually guess a female by appearance - more petite in body size, neck seems a bit thinner and the girls seem to hold their head higher. They also just seem to have a more dainty look. Of course, none of that is scientific, but when you have as many as I have, its a little easier to compare them, and guess against each other. I have honestly never noticed the feeding thing that @MeanCheek mentioned! I'm going to check out that little tidbit of info!

The sure-fire way for me is when they pair up and make a nest. The female lays on the eggs overnight, and most of the day, but the dad takes a couple hour shift in the afternoon. That's when I usually make my pair/gender notes.

You can also try feeling between the pelvis bones, at the very base. Females have a wider gap so an egg can pass through, the males gap is much smaller. I'd say a female's gap is about the width of my finger, so if I can put the tip of my finger between the two bone points, its usually a female.

They are beautiful and fun birds to watch! Congrats on your beautiful purchase!

Oh, as far as the band, what are the markings? There are multiple pigeon clubs, some have ways of identifying the original owner (like if one were lost). But the band should at least include the year they were hatched and banded.

 

[MeanCheek]

Could you post a video? I've had luck sexing by voice, like people do with ducks.

 

[MeanCheek]

Search "Male pigeon display" and watch videos of them dancing and cooing

 

[roonster]

Could you post a video? I've had luck sexing by voice, like people do with ducks.

an occasional coo from one when startled but otherwise not much activity.
I have a huge cage in the basement, that I put them in (actually, the unused cage is part of the reason i bought them).
Anyway, they have natural light and led light but no direct sunlight. i will move them tomorrow.