LOL! I saw that drawing a while back and wondered how accurate it was??? Guess I know now
I only had the one cochin chick this time (hatched with a bunch of seramas) so I didn't have a comparison. I think the sides need switched.
Cochin Bantams and Frizzle Cochin Bantams!!
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I only had the one cochin chick this time (hatched with a bunch of seramas) so I didn't have a comparison. I think the sides need switched.
Its definitely official. HE crowed this morning
He's so beautiful though. I'll just have to rearrange some pens to use him.
The funny thing is that I have a very small serama that is not thriving (yea, almost 6 weeks old!) in with that cochin, plus 2 other seramas, that have also turned out to be males. (Had too many chicks for my broody momma, so I picked a few to keep inside).. Anyway, the cochin is the one that Miss Itty Bitty always sleeps under and "he" has been a great mother figure to her. The other boys are .... well.... boys. LOL
He's so beautiful though. I'll just have to rearrange some pens to use him.
The funny thing is that I have a very small serama that is not thriving (yea, almost 6 weeks old!) in with that cochin, plus 2 other seramas, that have also turned out to be males. (Had too many chicks for my broody momma, so I picked a few to keep inside).. Anyway, the cochin is the one that Miss Itty Bitty always sleeps under and "he" has been a great mother figure to her. The other boys are .... well.... boys. LOL
Alright he is showing his pride they are always soo proud of their first crows and they are soo funny.Its definitely official. HE crowed this morning
He's so beautiful though. I'll just have to rearrange some pens to use him.
The funny thing is that I have a very small serama that is not thriving (yea, almost 6 weeks old!) in with that cochin, plus 2 other seramas, that have also turned out to be males. (Had too many chicks for my broody momma, so I picked a few to keep inside).. Anyway, the cochin is the one that Miss Itty Bitty always sleeps under and "he" has been a great mother figure to her. The other boys are .... well.... boys. LOL
dawn secord
Songster
Anyone in Southern California want a cockerel?
We have 3 available - 10 weeks old - father is a black show Silkie. mom is a white bantam cochin - frizzled.
They have been hand raised in the home and extremely tame. Two patridges and one white - smooth feathered.
Happy chicken day!!
We have 3 available - 10 weeks old - father is a black show Silkie. mom is a white bantam cochin - frizzled.
They have been hand raised in the home and extremely tame. Two patridges and one white - smooth feathered.
Happy chicken day!!
Glenda Heywoodo
Songster
Glenda Heywood
here is a extreme frizzle or a curlie
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I'm hoping and hoping and praying that my frizzle isn't a boy. We'll keep him anyway, but it's easier to keep one rooster rather than two, and we have a cute Polish cockerel. How can I choose between the two? Anyway, here are pictures of "her".
-Laura
owner of a flock of 23 (16/7)
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I'm hoping and hoping and praying that my frizzle isn't a boy. We'll keep him anyway, but it's easier to keep one rooster rather than two, and we have a cute Polish cockerel. How can I choose between the two? Anyway, here are pictures of "her".
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Glenda Heywoodo
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Glenda Heywood as of 1-16-2017
Yes the correct term is
Frizzle IE: breed type Cochin, Silkie, Leghorn etc.
But back in the day in 1970's
Frizzles were Cochin breed type and (White Color)
and could only win BEST OF VARIETY AND RESERVE OF VARIETY Frizzle.(BV OR RV)
And never went up against the best Cochin of the show.
But to day we have the rules changed.
The frizzle breed type of 1 color will be put with the breed type of the same color.
Then Judged as BV and RV of that color breed type.
Then it goes up against the winner of the color breed type for best of breed.
Such as today we see:
White Frizzled Cochins going on to be BB or RB of the Cochin class at shows
Also Black Frizzled Cochins winning BB and or RB of Cochin class of show.
So it goes with other frizzled breed types.
But mostly Cochin Frizzles have come up with the big winners.
As Cochin breed type frizzles have excellent body type and good frizzling
with correct face, feet, leg to win the cochin breed class.
GO TO EXHIBITION FRIZZLE BREEDERS ON FACEBOOK and see many of the champions pictured and talked about there.
Yes the correct term is
Frizzle IE: breed type Cochin, Silkie, Leghorn etc.
But back in the day in 1970's
Frizzles were Cochin breed type and (White Color)
and could only win BEST OF VARIETY AND RESERVE OF VARIETY Frizzle.(BV OR RV)
And never went up against the best Cochin of the show.
But to day we have the rules changed.
The frizzle breed type of 1 color will be put with the breed type of the same color.
Then Judged as BV and RV of that color breed type.
Then it goes up against the winner of the color breed type for best of breed.
Such as today we see:
White Frizzled Cochins going on to be BB or RB of the Cochin class at shows
Also Black Frizzled Cochins winning BB and or RB of Cochin class of show.
So it goes with other frizzled breed types.
But mostly Cochin Frizzles have come up with the big winners.
As Cochin breed type frizzles have excellent body type and good frizzling
with correct face, feet, leg to win the cochin breed class.
GO TO EXHIBITION FRIZZLE BREEDERS ON FACEBOOK and see many of the champions pictured and talked about there.
Glenda Heywoodo
Songster
What Makes a Good Frizzle?
By Glenda Heywood
When you are in the market for a good breeder to make Frizzles out of do this:
BUY THE BEST STRAIGHT FEATHERED BIRD THAT IS THE BREED YOU ARE MAKING.
Then get one of the best Frizzles you can find. I use the Frizzle in the cock bird
and the straight feather in the hen. This will work with most any breed.
If you are making Cochins that is easy as you find the color variety and the
best stock according to the qualities of the Cochin breed.
You will need good type on both of the birds you are using.
I never recommend that one uses Frizzle to Frizzle except
maybe the first time if this is all that you can find for the original breeding stock.
Try and get two to three hens that are related to each other or get three unrelated females and an unrelated male.
If this is the case use single mateings and have three pens of unrelated eggs.
Putting the cock bird in each pen on the 2rd day for pen 1 and on the 3rd day for pen 2 and on the 4th day for pen three.
Then as the week starts all over do the same. The hens need the cock bird every 4th day.
When that first year is done you will need to toe punch the baby chicks as they come from the hatcher,
writing down what toe punch is from which pen -- #1,#2,#3.
Then when they are old enough to put color ring bands on them do so and you will always be able to recognize them on sight.
Make sure the bands are loose enough and not too tight for their legs so as to shut off the circulation.
[Editor's comment: Jiffy wing bands are even better as they don't slip off so you have a lifetime record of the bird.]
Now when the 2nd year comes you will have several families to make from the matings.
Cock over pullets from #1 pen, or over pullets from #2 or #3 pens.
The hen with cockerels from #1 pen to pullets of #2 pen and on thru the amount of offspring
you have from pens #1,#2,#3, each mated to a cockerel or pullet from other pen matings.
As long as you do this there will be no need to introduce new blood lines for many years.
Keep the listings of the pen matings in a book to see what you mated to what in what year. Each mating has different toe punches.
Now, if you are making Rock Frizzles or Polish Frizzles or Jap Frizzles: Take a good Frizzle cock of the breed and mate it to a good smooth female.
If you can't find the clean-legged single comb variety you are making, you may have to start with a hen or cock from another breed,
say Cochin Frizzle cock to a Rock hen. You will only use the Cochin Frizzle one year.
You will have to keep a good frizzle cock out of the cross and mate it back to the Rock hen.
The reason being is that the Cochin is feather-legged. This trait needs to be recessive and will be if used only once.
If used more than one year it will become dominent and you will pull stubs for the rest of the time breeding,
if you are to show these birds. Stubs are a disqualification and you don't want that.
Always look for stubs in your clean-legged birds, when showing them. This trait pops up every
so many years. Many feather-legged birds were used in making Frizzles.
Also the body type of the Cochin & Rock are not the same.
Buy a good ABA Standard or APA Standard if you don't have one.
The standards will give you the information that each breed type needs
Thus the birds you are trying to breed to the breed type is in the standard.
The continuation of Frizzle breeding is exciting as the goal is to have the head feathers as heavy
as you can and the little Cochin Frizzle look like a "Mum flower" when finished.
The neck should show a good quantity of wide curled feathers towards the head.
Also the body of the bird needs good heavy dense feathering with wide width.
If too narrow, the bird's feathers will appear to be wispy and thin.
Thus, the reason for not breeding Frizzle to Frizzle: It causes the bird to have less feather follicles
and thus will cause the bird to come out with a dozen feathers and be bald over the body and
intolerant of the sun or the cold weather. Curlys are a no-no in the Frizzle breeding.
Frizzle breeding is simple: use the smooth half-Frizzle pullets that come out each year.
Use a good male Frizzle on these smooth half-Frizzle females and you have the battle won,
as far as it goes for keeping good curl on the head feathers and the body feathers.
When breeding the single comb Rock, or Jap Frizzles it is simple: use this same method,
using the half-Frizzle smooth females with a good Frizzle male.
Show or sell the Frizzle birds not needed in the matings of the next year.
Don't let those half-Frizzle females go. I am not a lover of the cock bird being the smooth.
It never worked as well in my over 2 decades of breeding them.
I find the male is the best Frizzle breed type
and the best type needs to be seen in the hens.
The male line is of importance as the male throws good fertility and
the female makes the color and type permanent in the breeding of chickens.
The male has to come from a good typed bird line also. But your females make the breeding possible.
The short-backed females mated to a true typed frizzle male will always throw the right length of back
on the cockerels for breeding or showing.
Long-backed females make long-backed males and will thus stretch the breed type out too far
and soon you have many birds not worth keeping.
Watch what good typy females in the breeding can do for you.
By Glenda Heywood
When you are in the market for a good breeder to make Frizzles out of do this:
BUY THE BEST STRAIGHT FEATHERED BIRD THAT IS THE BREED YOU ARE MAKING.
Then get one of the best Frizzles you can find. I use the Frizzle in the cock bird
and the straight feather in the hen. This will work with most any breed.
If you are making Cochins that is easy as you find the color variety and the
best stock according to the qualities of the Cochin breed.
You will need good type on both of the birds you are using.
I never recommend that one uses Frizzle to Frizzle except
maybe the first time if this is all that you can find for the original breeding stock.
Try and get two to three hens that are related to each other or get three unrelated females and an unrelated male.
If this is the case use single mateings and have three pens of unrelated eggs.
Putting the cock bird in each pen on the 2rd day for pen 1 and on the 3rd day for pen 2 and on the 4th day for pen three.
Then as the week starts all over do the same. The hens need the cock bird every 4th day.
When that first year is done you will need to toe punch the baby chicks as they come from the hatcher,
writing down what toe punch is from which pen -- #1,#2,#3.
Then when they are old enough to put color ring bands on them do so and you will always be able to recognize them on sight.
Make sure the bands are loose enough and not too tight for their legs so as to shut off the circulation.
[Editor's comment: Jiffy wing bands are even better as they don't slip off so you have a lifetime record of the bird.]
Now when the 2nd year comes you will have several families to make from the matings.
Cock over pullets from #1 pen, or over pullets from #2 or #3 pens.
The hen with cockerels from #1 pen to pullets of #2 pen and on thru the amount of offspring
you have from pens #1,#2,#3, each mated to a cockerel or pullet from other pen matings.
As long as you do this there will be no need to introduce new blood lines for many years.
Keep the listings of the pen matings in a book to see what you mated to what in what year. Each mating has different toe punches.
Now, if you are making Rock Frizzles or Polish Frizzles or Jap Frizzles: Take a good Frizzle cock of the breed and mate it to a good smooth female.
If you can't find the clean-legged single comb variety you are making, you may have to start with a hen or cock from another breed,
say Cochin Frizzle cock to a Rock hen. You will only use the Cochin Frizzle one year.
You will have to keep a good frizzle cock out of the cross and mate it back to the Rock hen.
The reason being is that the Cochin is feather-legged. This trait needs to be recessive and will be if used only once.
If used more than one year it will become dominent and you will pull stubs for the rest of the time breeding,
if you are to show these birds. Stubs are a disqualification and you don't want that.
Always look for stubs in your clean-legged birds, when showing them. This trait pops up every
so many years. Many feather-legged birds were used in making Frizzles.
Also the body type of the Cochin & Rock are not the same.
Buy a good ABA Standard or APA Standard if you don't have one.
The standards will give you the information that each breed type needs
Thus the birds you are trying to breed to the breed type is in the standard.
The continuation of Frizzle breeding is exciting as the goal is to have the head feathers as heavy
as you can and the little Cochin Frizzle look like a "Mum flower" when finished.
The neck should show a good quantity of wide curled feathers towards the head.
Also the body of the bird needs good heavy dense feathering with wide width.
If too narrow, the bird's feathers will appear to be wispy and thin.
Thus, the reason for not breeding Frizzle to Frizzle: It causes the bird to have less feather follicles
and thus will cause the bird to come out with a dozen feathers and be bald over the body and
intolerant of the sun or the cold weather. Curlys are a no-no in the Frizzle breeding.
Frizzle breeding is simple: use the smooth half-Frizzle pullets that come out each year.
Use a good male Frizzle on these smooth half-Frizzle females and you have the battle won,
as far as it goes for keeping good curl on the head feathers and the body feathers.
When breeding the single comb Rock, or Jap Frizzles it is simple: use this same method,
using the half-Frizzle smooth females with a good Frizzle male.
Show or sell the Frizzle birds not needed in the matings of the next year.
Don't let those half-Frizzle females go. I am not a lover of the cock bird being the smooth.
It never worked as well in my over 2 decades of breeding them.
I find the male is the best Frizzle breed type
and the best type needs to be seen in the hens.
The male line is of importance as the male throws good fertility and
the female makes the color and type permanent in the breeding of chickens.
The male has to come from a good typed bird line also. But your females make the breeding possible.
The short-backed females mated to a true typed frizzle male will always throw the right length of back
on the cockerels for breeding or showing.
Long-backed females make long-backed males and will thus stretch the breed type out too far
and soon you have many birds not worth keeping.
Watch what good typy females in the breeding can do for you.
Calichicken2015
Songster
Its definitely official. HE crowed this morning
He's so beautiful though. I'll just have to rearrange some pens to use him.
The funny thing is that I have a very small serama that is not thriving (yea, almost 6 weeks old!) in with that cochin, plus 2 other seramas, that have also turned out to be males. (Had too many chicks for my broody momma, so I picked a few to keep inside).. Anyway, the cochin is the one that Miss Itty Bitty always sleeps under and "he" has been a great mother figure to her. The other boys are .... well.... boys. LOL
OH no! But so happy you are keeping him! Cochins are SO SWEET!!!!! And LOVE those first crows
OH no! But so happy you are keeping him! Cochins are SO SWEET!!!!! And LOVE those first crowsSo cute to watch!!!
Thanks! I really wanted to keep him, but turns out that I have a friend that needs a male anyway, so I'm giving him to her. I'll get eggs from her though! Plus I'll still get to watch him grow up!
dawn secord
Songster
Southern California - We have 3 sizzle cockerels at just turned 11 weeks old. We need homes for them. If interested, please let us know. They've been raised in our home and are super friendly and tame.
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