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Cheryl, I am so glad they are owning up this horrible mess! Hang tough! We are thinking about you!
Dawn
Cheryl, I am so glad they are owning up this horrible mess! Hang tough! We are thinking about you!
Dawn
Dark Egg Breeds Thread
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Cheryl~
How awful! I am soooo sorry! I hope everything gets back to normal and cleaned up very soon for you! I hope that your dad is doing better and I hope that your doggies are doing better. EeeeeeWWWWW! Not fun!!!!!!!
Edited to add: Thank you Kansas and Cheryl for the compliments.....I thought it would be neat to see the Barnie eggs next to all the others. The Barnie eggs are not as dark as what came from Farmer Johan but she also has a purplish coating on them like the Marans and Wellies sometimes do....when it is wet they are a nice light coppery color, but just like the purplish Marans or Wellie eggs with that coating they dry back to a chaulky hue again, so the color is there.
On a bright note, I have my first pip in the first Barnie eggs to make it to lockdown.
Happy Chooks Do you hear that? We almost have a Barnie baby!!!!
How awful! I am soooo sorry! I hope everything gets back to normal and cleaned up very soon for you! I hope that your dad is doing better and I hope that your doggies are doing better. EeeeeeWWWWW! Not fun!!!!!!!
Edited to add: Thank you Kansas and Cheryl for the compliments.....I thought it would be neat to see the Barnie eggs next to all the others. The Barnie eggs are not as dark as what came from Farmer Johan but she also has a purplish coating on them like the Marans and Wellies sometimes do....when it is wet they are a nice light coppery color, but just like the purplish Marans or Wellie eggs with that coating they dry back to a chaulky hue again, so the color is there.
On a bright note, I have my first pip in the first Barnie eggs to make it to lockdown.
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Thanks Jeremy and Medicine Man. The white neck stuff looks more pronounced to me, but it also just seemed to magically appear one day! ARGH. I got the eggs (a nice #7 color) up here in Sonoma County from a guy who started his BCM flock from a pair of SQ BCM's (Sonoma County fair BOC winners, he said) that he got in Sebastopol, CA, from "Wade Jeanne" lines... so the yellow legs on the one feathered shank dude is from an EE crossed in somewhere??? ARGH. How does the leg coloration have to cross to get that? (The only EE I hen I have has pale green legs, so that is what I am used to. How would you get yellow legs?)
Drat, Drat. I will have to see what color egg the one female lays when she starts, I guess...
Silver birchen shouldn't easily appear from proper BCM's. It's dominant and a pure birchen rooster would only come from a "half" silver rooster with straw colored hackle and saddle crossed to a silver birchen hen that has so much black you can't tell if she's copper or silver. Birchen hens could also pop up from a half silver rooster. But to someone who knows BCM breeding such birds shouldn't be an "accident". Your photo was deleted by the time I went to look at it (I forgot how interesting this thread was!)
As far as the yellow legs - you're not alone on that one. Someone on the Marans thread has some cuckoos with yellow legs as well. Your EE has green legs because she has yellow skin with pigment under the skin to make it green. The yellow skin is recessive, the pigment under the skin is dominant. Yellow skin is fairly obvious even on hens with very dark shanks. It's visible on the skin between their toes, between the "scales". But if it is somehow crossed in, the gene can hide in a bird that is split white/yellow. The "clear" shanks, or legs lacking the pigment under the skin is recessive, and all varieties of Marans should have these recessive genes, hens 1, roosters a pair.
Most likely these birds are offspring of linebred or "inbred" birds, siblings bred to each other, or hens bred back to their father. Olive Eggers are very popular these days, that could be a source for the yellow skin. Typically only a bird that is a wheaten cross or is very lacking in black pigment overall, will show completely clear yellow legs, unless it's a barred bird.
Did you see your Sonoma guys's flock? Yellow skin shouldn't pop up so easily. If your eggs were dark, then they had to come from hens with Marans blood especially if they were 7's, but if they are showing silver, and yellow skin, they themselves cannot be pure. Olive eggers crossed back to Black Coppers can lay very dark eggs like that. That is my best guess.
Feathered shanks are dominant, so you could still use your hen to get some feathered shanked Marans offspring if you have a good rooster.
Thanks Jeremy and Medicine Man. The white neck stuff looks more pronounced to me, but it also just seemed to magically appear one day! ARGH. I got the eggs (a nice #7 color) up here in Sonoma County from a guy who started his BCM flock from a pair of SQ BCM's (Sonoma County fair BOC winners, he said) that he got in Sebastopol, CA, from "Wade Jeanne" lines... so the yellow legs on the one feathered shank dude is from an EE crossed in somewhere??? ARGH. How does the leg coloration have to cross to get that? (The only EE I hen I have has pale green legs, so that is what I am used to. How would you get yellow legs?)
Drat, Drat. I will have to see what color egg the one female lays when she starts, I guess...
Silver birchen shouldn't easily appear from proper BCM's. It's dominant and a pure birchen rooster would only come from a "half" silver rooster with straw colored hackle and saddle crossed to a silver birchen hen that has so much black you can't tell if she's copper or silver. Birchen hens could also pop up from a half silver rooster. But to someone who knows BCM breeding such birds shouldn't be an "accident". Your photo was deleted by the time I went to look at it (I forgot how interesting this thread was!)
As far as the yellow legs - you're not alone on that one. Someone on the Marans thread has some cuckoos with yellow legs as well. Your EE has green legs because she has yellow skin with pigment under the skin to make it green. The yellow skin is recessive, the pigment under the skin is dominant. Yellow skin is fairly obvious even on hens with very dark shanks. It's visible on the skin between their toes, between the "scales". But if it is somehow crossed in, the gene can hide in a bird that is split white/yellow. The "clear" shanks, or legs lacking the pigment under the skin is recessive, and all varieties of Marans should have these recessive genes, hens 1, roosters a pair.
Most likely these birds are offspring of linebred or "inbred" birds, siblings bred to each other, or hens bred back to their father. Olive Eggers are very popular these days, that could be a source for the yellow skin. Typically only a bird that is a wheaten cross or is very lacking in black pigment overall, will show completely clear yellow legs, unless it's a barred bird.
Did you see your Sonoma guys's flock? Yellow skin shouldn't pop up so easily. If your eggs were dark, then they had to come from hens with Marans blood especially if they were 7's, but if they are showing silver, and yellow skin, they themselves cannot be pure. Olive eggers crossed back to Black Coppers can lay very dark eggs like that. That is my best guess.
Feathered shanks are dominant, so you could still use your hen to get some feathered shanked Marans offspring if you have a good rooster.
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That's the thing - there are so many ignorant amateurs breeding Olive Eggers, hatching them in the same clutch with Marans, selling hatching eggs, when they don't even understand what they're doing nor the implications thereof.
That's the thing - there are so many ignorant amateurs breeding Olive Eggers, hatching them in the same clutch with Marans, selling hatching eggs, when they don't even understand what they're doing nor the implications thereof.
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That's the thing - there are so many ignorant amateurs breeding Olive Eggers, hatching them in the same clutch with Marans, selling hatching eggs, when they don't even understand what they're doing nor the implications thereof.
Agreed! Some of the offspring can mature to look just like pure Marans and telling the difference for some could definately be very difficult. When I hatch Olive Eggers they aren't even hatched in the same hatcher as any other breed and are marked or banded before their little feeties even hit the brooder floor. I have a cockerel growing out right now that was from one of my first Olive Egger girls who is half Blue Copper Marans and half Blue Ameraucana, she lays a light olive green egg with tiny little chocolate speckles on it and has the peacomb and no puffy cheeks (the only way to tell her apart from the Marans other than her egg color is her peacomb and clean legs), I thought that it would be interesting to cross her to my very large Welsummer rooster and see if I could get a Wellie cross OE....well that backfired on me because the only egg of hers to hatch ended up being a single combed cockerel. He is going to be 5 months old and if he wasn't banded from the start I would not be able to tell him apart from a Black Copper cockerel at all even though his dad is a Welsummer and his mom is a Blue OE. If I didn't know he was crossed and hadn't kept track of him since he hatched.....I don't even want to think about what could happen if I didn't keep them seperated and banded and away from my pure pens. I normally cull any single combed olive egger cross offspring very soon after hatch and only keep the peacombed ones. I just grew this guy out to see what he would look like because from hatch he looked just like a BCM. He is absolutely huge at 5 mos. and is headed for the freezer today.
That's the thing - there are so many ignorant amateurs breeding Olive Eggers, hatching them in the same clutch with Marans, selling hatching eggs, when they don't even understand what they're doing nor the implications thereof.
Agreed! Some of the offspring can mature to look just like pure Marans and telling the difference for some could definately be very difficult. When I hatch Olive Eggers they aren't even hatched in the same hatcher as any other breed and are marked or banded before their little feeties even hit the brooder floor. I have a cockerel growing out right now that was from one of my first Olive Egger girls who is half Blue Copper Marans and half Blue Ameraucana, she lays a light olive green egg with tiny little chocolate speckles on it and has the peacomb and no puffy cheeks (the only way to tell her apart from the Marans other than her egg color is her peacomb and clean legs), I thought that it would be interesting to cross her to my very large Welsummer rooster and see if I could get a Wellie cross OE....well that backfired on me because the only egg of hers to hatch ended up being a single combed cockerel. He is going to be 5 months old and if he wasn't banded from the start I would not be able to tell him apart from a Black Copper cockerel at all even though his dad is a Welsummer and his mom is a Blue OE. If I didn't know he was crossed and hadn't kept track of him since he hatched.....I don't even want to think about what could happen if I didn't keep them seperated and banded and away from my pure pens. I normally cull any single combed olive egger cross offspring very soon after hatch and only keep the peacombed ones. I just grew this guy out to see what he would look like because from hatch he looked just like a BCM. He is absolutely huge at 5 mos. and is headed for the freezer today.
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Hello Mother......Hello Father.....(or is it Mudder & Faudder)...here I am at..... Camp Granodder...........
LOL Wonder if there's a Freezer Camp song??
or like in Chicken Run.....they just go on Holiday??
LOL Wonder if there's a Freezer Camp song??
or like in Chicken Run.....they just go on Holiday??
Black Copper Marans and Olive Egger hatching eggs from ruth, they're in my bator now.
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crossing any marans scares me trying to keep them stright......im sticking to one kind and color , its hard enough me keeping track of one birds history exspecialy if there liveing many years and lots of notes on a single bird
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That's the thing - there are so many ignorant amateurs breeding Olive Eggers, hatching them in the same clutch with Marans, selling hatching eggs, when they don't even understand what they're doing nor the implications thereof.
Agreed! Some of the offspring can mature to look just like pure Marans and telling the difference for some could definately be very difficult. When I hatch Olive Eggers they aren't even hatched in the same hatcher as any other breed and are marked or banded before their little feeties even hit the brooder floor. I have a cockerel growing out right now that was from one of my first Olive Egger girls who is half Blue Copper Marans and half Blue Ameraucana, she lays a light olive green egg with tiny little chocolate speckles on it and has the peacomb and no puffy cheeks (the only way to tell her apart from the Marans other than her egg color is her peacomb and clean legs), I thought that it would be interesting to cross her to my very large Welsummer rooster and see if I could get a Wellie cross OE....well that backfired on me because the only egg of hers to hatch ended up being a single combed cockerel. He is going to be 5 months old and if he wasn't banded from the start I would not be able to tell him apart from a Black Copper cockerel at all even though his dad is a Welsummer and his mom is a Blue OE. If I didn't know he was crossed and hadn't kept track of him since he hatched.....I don't even want to think about what could happen if I didn't keep them seperated and banded and away from my pure pens. I normally cull any single combed olive egger cross offspring very soon after hatch and only keep the peacombed ones. I just grew this guy out to see what he would look like because from hatch he looked just like a BCM. He is absolutely huge at 5 mos. and is headed for the freezer today.
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That's the thing - there are so many ignorant amateurs breeding Olive Eggers, hatching them in the same clutch with Marans, selling hatching eggs, when they don't even understand what they're doing nor the implications thereof.
Agreed! Some of the offspring can mature to look just like pure Marans and telling the difference for some could definately be very difficult. When I hatch Olive Eggers they aren't even hatched in the same hatcher as any other breed and are marked or banded before their little feeties even hit the brooder floor. I have a cockerel growing out right now that was from one of my first Olive Egger girls who is half Blue Copper Marans and half Blue Ameraucana, she lays a light olive green egg with tiny little chocolate speckles on it and has the peacomb and no puffy cheeks (the only way to tell her apart from the Marans other than her egg color is her peacomb and clean legs), I thought that it would be interesting to cross her to my very large Welsummer rooster and see if I could get a Wellie cross OE....well that backfired on me because the only egg of hers to hatch ended up being a single combed cockerel. He is going to be 5 months old and if he wasn't banded from the start I would not be able to tell him apart from a Black Copper cockerel at all even though his dad is a Welsummer and his mom is a Blue OE. If I didn't know he was crossed and hadn't kept track of him since he hatched.....I don't even want to think about what could happen if I didn't keep them seperated and banded and away from my pure pens. I normally cull any single combed olive egger cross offspring very soon after hatch and only keep the peacombed ones. I just grew this guy out to see what he would look like because from hatch he looked just like a BCM. He is absolutely huge at 5 mos. and is headed for the freezer today.
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Great looking eggs Jeremy................I am still waiting for mine.
Great looking eggs Jeremy................I am still waiting for mine.
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Sooo hatch date is the 26th?
Sooo hatch date is the 26th?
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