Decrowing surgery - my roosters experiences

Double Kindness

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Roosters happen even if one buys pullets. Roosters are awesome, I think. Unfortunately my neighbors, and most people in general don't enjoy the sound of rooster crows, much less a crowing contest.

I fell in love with ayam cemani chickens. I live in an urban area, which one would equate to no roosters. I desperately wanted to breed fibromelanistic chickens. Research brought me to several options. No crow collars, decrowing surgery or not breeding.

On BYC there was a member selling a semi-quieted rooster. I talked it over with my bf, he saw the you tube video and said ok, but if the neighbors complained, he'd have to go.

The neighbors love Lenny. He's so good to my hens in my laying flock. He can crow, but it's not very loud. He's probably 25% as loud as a normal rooster.

The summer and fall went by, no issues with the neighbors and us having chickens, ducks and a semi-quieted rooster. Then finally the ayam cemani chicks from my friend's flock hatched. And I got a dozen chicks.

There was a very handsome mottled English orpington that had a brief affair with the cemanis, out of my 12, I have 4 obvious haffies, ayam cemani x orpington.

I picked my 2 best blackest roos (Boss & Reginald) and dretd, the BYC member that does decrowing surgery and learned from Dr. James in Oklahoma, picked them up on Sunday.

She just called me to tell me the surgeries went well. My boys were hatched 3rd week of August, 2014, Reginald was 2.25 lbs. and he was the smaller of the 2.

Good news on black color saturation on my ac boys, larynx was gray as well as trachea, and the heart she said was charcoal gray, and the meat! It's the dark blackish mulberry tinge she said about what she saw.

I miss my boys, I handle them a lot, they are a naturally flighty breed of chicken, but once you have one held, they are so sweet and friendly.

My roos had not yet begun to crow. Time will tell if the surgery was a success.

Most roosters face the same fate- an axe to go in the stewpot. Many of us love our roosters, but no one wants to fight with their neighbors. Perhaps the risk and cost of this procedure is too high for some. I certainly am not going to do this to all my roosters, I'm also learning to caponize and have 1 capon under our belt so far, being self taught by reading a caponizing thread on BYC. Idk if this is the perfect answer to wtd with all the extra roosters we end up with. But it's usually an early death for most roos everywhere, but maybe not for all of them anymore.
 
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I fell in love with ayam cemani chickens.

My sister is obsessed with them, but the prices I've seen are out of my league. I'm glad you found a way to keep yours. Roos are illegal here too, but at least three of my neighbors have them so I'm going to see if I can get away with keeping one as well. The only neighbor who I think might be disturbed (or care) said she would never even notice and to go ahead and do it!
 
The surgery went well, the boys are recovering well, eating etc. I'm so relieved, now time will tell if they are able to crow and how loudly, since the procedure was done before they even started crowing and they are young and healthy.

Reginald may be for sale in a few months, as I have been planning on using Boss for breeding.

Thank you to dretd and kerstiens, for the ayam cemani and for doing decrowing surgery, both extremely hard things to find.
 
Dretd is so fantastic at updating me on how my boys are doing and sending pictures

this was today
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yesterday
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recovering from anesthesia
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I don't know how effective the surgery has been yet, as my roos had not started crowing yet. It may take another 6 months before I will know how effective the decrowing surgery went.

Next I need to pick out the 2 white bresse roos I want to use for breeding for the decrowing surgery. Probably within a month.

My friend is trying to hatch out 5 last ayam cemani eggs after seeing my chickens from her flock, and now with confirmation on fibromelanistic traits observed by the vet that did the surgery. I'm so thankful this was an option, and that it seems to have gone very well. Time will tell though.
 
The boys come home tomorrow afternoon
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I have missed them so much.

My boys are very young, only about 12 weeks old. They haven't begun crowing or attempting to crow yet, which from what I read is an important factor as to how successful the surgery is. I guess I'm going to find out eventually right?

In a month I will probably have decided which 2 white bresse roos will go for the surgery.
 
Talked to the local vet who does this today. He charges $150 (which seems reasonable) and he recommends waiting until they've at least attempted to crow (he says the surgery is easier to do when they're more developed than when they're younger). So conflicting opinions abound.
 
The surgery went well, the boys are recovering well, eating etc. I'm so relieved, now time will tell if they are able to crow and how loudly, since the procedure was done before they even started crowing and they are young and healthy.

Reginald may be for sale in a few months, as I have been planning on using Boss for breeding.

Thank you to dretd and kerstiens, for the ayam cemani and for doing decrowing surgery, both extremely hard things to find.

You may be able to tell in a few weeks if the surgery has worked or not. I have two 12 week old cockerels and they make what they think is a good effort at crowing every morning when i let them out of the coop!

CT
 
Will the decrow surgery stop the stop the rooster from ALL noise or will he still be able to cluck??
In this case, I believe he was still crowing:
Boss was extremely loud, even a year after his surgery, but his father was glass breakingly loud. Boss was 30% as loud as his dad. He ended up living in special sound muffled ventihlated lighted with agricultural growing lights rooster housing in the basement
 
im also in so cal and will need to drive to Oakland for roo surgery anyone want to share the trip?
You will probably want to make your own thread. This thread wasn't posted on for a year, and was started in 2014. It keeps getting dragged up, but these members are likely no longer going to respond to this thread. You can start your own thread in the "managing your flock" forum, and will likely find help there. Good luck, hope I could help! ☺️

Ps. IMHO, I really don't recommend the surgery. It is very risky for the roosters and can kill them. Plus, it doesn't completely stop them from crowing, just muffles them some. Its really not wroth it, especially for the roosters.
 

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