I wish I had started with more worms this time. Last time I tried the giant worms and they all got bigger and died. This time I bought 2 small containers at PetSmart. I wasn't going to go overboard this time either. I smallish container at first and maybe down the line something bigger if it worked. Well the beetles started up and the smaller container was getting full. I started a much bigger container and moved all the beetles. I've been waiting to see if anything happens in the small container and I saw a few pupa, so thought I'd watch and watch. Today I pulled 2 more beetles out and it looks like I'm starting to get close to having the rest soon. So I thought "Well, I bet with these few pupa and those 2 beetles I'm close to being about to toss fass and use the small container for more. Then I saw movement. I was a little worried about mites, but on closer look, I have a ton of tiny worms!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The whole box seems to be moving. I had beetles in there for about 2 weeks before I bought the bigger container and decided to move them, but I had a lot of beetles to move. I think my final success was "add food, remove old food, add food, forget about the containers till you need to add or remove food!" The big container I added the usual Gamebird crumbles to and some oats. I think once these grow out, I'll try to be more on it and remove the beetles as fast as I can. Then I'll try moving the next generation for the bigger container into the small one. At least some of them. Once the big container has all gone to beetles again, I'll move them out fast too, so I don't lose many eggs if any and go back to just the Gamebird feed. I think they did better in there, but we'll see when the oats start moving. But I have wormies and I'm so happy to finally get this far this time.