Showgirl Genetics + Satin

[MacandT]

Alright, hope im not in over my head here. I want to make sure I have this atleast somewhat right.

I have this satin showgirl. And all of birds from the same hatch are showgirls except one roo. Who I guess is not a showgirl but rather a silkie because his neck is feathered ? but he's a silkie that's carries the "n" gene for Nakedneck Nn? And all birds from this hatch are black.

If I were to breed this black satin showgirl with white silkie roosters I could potentially get;
Satin or not satin
Showgirls
Or Silkies that carry the naked neck gene ?
And then also could get any coloring a white rooster might be hiding ?

Does this mean that the rest of the related chicks carry a satin gene that could be expressed later on ? I have no idea where satin gets mixed into silkies and if birds can be recessively hiding the satin gene.

Trying to make a plan for these showgirls because I want some colors other than black. Thanks!

 

[The Moonshiner]

A bird can't carry the NN gene sight unseen. If they have a copy it shows.
Two copies is completely naked neck. One copy leaves a little patch. Those are often called "bowties"
What were the parents of these birds? That would help with your color question.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

birds can be recessively hiding the satin gene.

The satin is just a hard feathered silkie basically. They can't hide the hard feathering because it's a dominant gene. They need 2 silkie genes to have silkie feathering

 

[NatJ]

Does this mean that the rest of the related chicks carry a satin gene that could be expressed later on ? I have no idea where satin gets mixed into silkies and if birds can be recessively hiding the satin gene.

Silkie feathers are caused by a recessive gene. Satin feathers are the normal type of feathers, and are dominant.

So breeding two chickens with silkie feathers should never produce a chick with satin (normal) feathers. But breeding two chickens with satin (normal) feathers, or satin x silkie, can sometimes produce chicks with silkie feathers.

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Your chickens aren’t black, they’re blue.

 

[MacandT]

Your chickens aren’t black, they’re blue.

Maybe the lighting on your screen is wrong. They're black.

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Maybe the lighting on your screen is wrong. They're black.

If a chicken is dark gray, even if it’s very dark, it’s blue. Can you get a picture in natural lighting?

 

[MacandT]

If a chicken is dark gray, even if it’s very dark, it’s blue. Can you get a picture in natural lighting?

Yes, agreed on that. She does look a little lighter in these pictures than she is. All four of them are dark black. This satin seems pretty shiny, and maybe a little lighter than the other 3 now that I'm really really looking. Here are some pics that aren't washed out by midday sun. Fine with blue or black, I'm just not seeing the gray tones except on the shaft/rachis. How does she look in those ?

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Yes, agreed on that. She does look a little lighter in these pictures than she is. All four of them are dark black. This satin seems pretty shiny, and maybe a little lighter than the other 3 now that I'm really really looking. Here are some pics that aren't washed out by midday sun. Fine with blue or black, I'm just not seeing the gray tones except on the shaft/rachis. How does she look in those ?

The smooth-feathered one looks like a dark blue to me. Blue x black - 50% blue, 50% black, blue x blue - 50% blue, 25% black, 25% splash.

 

[MacandT]

The smooth-feathered one looks like a dark blue to me. Blue x black - 50% blue, 50% black, blue x blue - 50% blue, 25% black, 25% splash.

Cool! So are you seeing gray feathers and lighter bird all around, or just those gray highlights I mentioned on the shaft ? Splash showgirls on the way