Updated - Corid and Amprol (amprolium) Dosing

[ConPollos]

Kathy, thanks to your help on a couple of other threads, which I can't find now, my 14 chicks recovered very well from severe coccidiosis.

I hope this is not off topic, but I've read some controversy among kennel owners about whether their dogs got sick with coccidiosis from lots of birds pooping in their yard, or even from chickens. I know that vets say dogs can't get sick from chicken cocci.

I had mentioned on the other thread that I was afraid my nine 8-month-old puppies were also getting sick with cocci due to our many thunderstorms, heat, humidity, and warm mud everywhere. And even though dogs shouldn't be affected by the same cocci that makes chickens sick, I did see some pudding poops, then mucousy pudding poops, then progressing to some blood in the poops, quickly followed by lots of bloody mucous poops full of the grass they were eating to clean put their systems.

By that time I had started adding 20% Corid powder to the pups' water. I kept watch for signs of dehydration & used a large syringe to give medicated water to any pups who needed more hydration.

I'm not good at dosage math like you are, Kathy, so after wracking my brains & lots of Googling, I struggled with the math and came up with 1-3/4 Tablespoons of 20% Corid powder per each 2 Gallon bucket of water. The nine pups average 40 to 50 lbs each, and I was aiming for 250 to 300 mg of Corid per pup per day based on the advice of a dog rescue. They collectively drink 3 to 4 Gallons of water per day, usually 4. I felt very insecure about the math, but couldn't get help with it. They did improve, started drinking and eating more, and the lethargy subsided. I did this dosage for at least three days until I got paid again and bought liquid Corid.

I found smaller 16 oz bottles of liquid 9.6% Corid for $16.00 plus tax. The dosing is much easier with the 9.6% liquid. According to a dog rescue, it's 30 ml of 9.6% Corid solution per gallon of water. I've also read 1 cc per 5 lbs of dog for 21 days.

Years ago I treated a 6 week old puppy, who was deathly ill of coccidiosis, with Albon and IV fluids under vet supervision, but I've read that there are now problems with some cocci being resistant to Albon, so I didn't want to risk it and went with the Corid instead.

Anyway, about three days ago, I also started them on Safeguard Goat fenbendazole at 1 ml / cc per 5 lbs of dog for five days because they likely also have giardia. Coccidiosis and giardia can look the same in dogs, and they can have both at the same time, or one can be mistaken for the other.

Some people spend over $1,000 on the vet for just one diarrhea dog trying to diagnose and treat for either cocci or giardia with sulfa drugs, so people with kennels or lots of dogs usually can't afford the vet for an outbreak of diarrhea, but it's good if you can. I've always been able to cure diarrhea quickly in my dogs, who very rarely got it.

I've never had to deal with this kind of nightmare before, even with my previous seven dogs who have all passed on from old age within the past couple of years.

So...day 13...The pups' poop had improved a lot, still soft but no blood or mucous, and I gave them the Safeguard before feeding their breakfast. It killed their appetites, so I decided to wait and not feed, and see how they'd feel later on.

A dog breeder had recommended 10 days of Corid, then 3 days of Safeguard, which always worked for him, so I stopped the Corid since they'd had it for at least 13 days already. BIG MISTAKE! That afternoon I found many puddles of mucous and blood with grass in it, so as soon as I found out you can give Corid and fenbendazole simultaneously, I immediately put the Corid in their water and it stopped the bloody mucous poops.

Re the liquid Corid, I've read to treat for 10 days, 21 days, and 28 days for dogs, and I will feel safer going the full 28 days.

I'm also doing five days of Safeguard for giardia, as opposed to the usual three days for worms.

When I worked with horses, vets would freely give me all the tips on treating my animals very cheaply from the farm supply, but since I'm retired and in another state, and on a fixed income, they won't tell me anything. If I owned a horse farm or a big breeding kennel, the vets would share their tips. That's how it goes.

I've been very scared for these pups. They've improved a lot after at least 16 days of Corid, including three days so far of Safeguard fenbendazole. Now I'm seeing some solid log stools, and some combo poops of both solid log and soft, and some cowpies, but no blood or mucous.

I cannot separate the pups because I don't have nine crates or nine dog runs. I keep picking up all poop in their fenced yard, and disinfected the dirt floor of their 200 square foot kennel with lots of ammonia water. They're not in the kennel much, just an hour or two in the evening so I can finish some work on the second chicken coop, and the dirt floor gets direct sun most of the day, which I believe kills the protozoa.

Yes, I do take my dogs to the vet as a general rule, but my situation has changed so that I can't take nine puppies in, and buying all these meds is taking every penny I have. I've never had to deal with this mass outbreak of disease before. I don't know for sure if acquiring chickens had anything to do with it, since I've allowed them to free range in the same fenced yard the pups use.

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks so much in advance.

And, yes, my plan is to carefully find permanent loving homes for most of these puppies, if possible, but I can't put them for adoption while they're sick, and I want them to be better trained and settled before going to new homes. I took in a young starving female who was dumped in the country, and that's how I ended up with her and her pups. She's not sick because she doesn't hang out in the pup yard, since they overwhelm her.

So sorry for the long post, but I hope it will help someone else too.

Oops, I have so much anxiety I forgot to ask my questions:

My budget is very tight after buying meds, etc. I'm not sure the store will have another 16 oz bottle of Corid. Can you help me figure out for sure the correct dosage using the 20% powder? Will a pack of powder go further than a 16 oz bottle of liquid? I wish I could buy the gallon size of Corid liquid, but I don't think I can. Will double check my money situation to make sure. I could cry.

UPDATE: Kathy & all, I got some advice from a knowledgeable person, who said all that bloody mucous and grass could have been a reaction to the fenbendazole on top of the course of Corid and empty stomach; so not necessarily a resurgence of coccidiosis.

So I was advised to give them pea sized dabs of horse probiotics, Probios, from the tube a couple of times per day; then finish the 21 or 28 day course of Corid, for which I bought the gallon size.

After that I should just let their systems rest for a month or two, watching out for dehydration, not be too worried if they pass more bloody mucous after the treatment, give electrolites like Gatorade or Pedialyte in their water. All the treatment may have been so hard on their tummies they'll need time to get back to normal poops after the treatment is finished.

As for the fenbendazole, their opinion is that the three day course would be better and less harsh onntheir systems than the five day. Today was day three, and I have enough to do a fourth day tomorrow, but it is true that worming can often cause diarrhea for several days afterwards.

 

[ConPollos]

UPDATE #2: My pups are pooping solid! This is a miraculous answer to prayer! Even the one with the runniest poop this AM pooped solid logs tonight. Thank God I was advised to give them the horse probiotics.

I'm not going to let the chickens free range in the puppies' fenced front yard anymore because when I let them out of their kennel after the girls go in to roost, the first thing they do is run around eating any chicken poop they can find.

 

[ochochicas]

Glad your pups are feeling better. From experience I can tell you that if the pups had Giardia they would be violently ill with diarrhea and would be losing weight. It is best to have it diagnosed by a vet. Metronidazole is the recommended treatment instead of using goat dewormer. I hope they continue to do well!

 

[ConPollos]

Thank you, they're doing great. Their poop continues to be the normal darker colored solid logs 95% of it, with the occaisional softer textured logs, but now cowpies, blood, or mucus. They're happy, energetic, shiny, and ideal weight. I can't express in words how relieved I am. They're still getting Corid water, but it's obvious the three days of Safeguard fenbendazole, plus probiotics, helped a lot.

 

[ConPollos]

Thank you, they're doing great. Their poop continues to be the normal darker colored solid logs 95% of it, with the occaisional softer textured logs, but now cowpies, blood, or mucus. They're happy, energetic, shiny, and ideal weight. I can't express in words how relieved I am. They're still getting Corid water, but it's obvious the three days of Safeguard fenbendazole, plus probiotics, helped a lot.

Darn it! Now my older chickens, who are layers that never had coccidiosis, appear to be getting it even though I've had them on medicated grower plus oyster shells, and putting the prevention dosage of Corid in their water.

My younger chickens who recovered from coccidiosis weeks ago are in the shed nextdoor to them, and haven't had any contact with them at all, but just by me walking in and out of both coops I guess it's spread to the older girls, who are a couple of months older.

One was lethargic last night and chose the lowest roost that the others don't use. This AM I found she'd made poops with puddles of water around them. No blood yet.

 

[theartsypaul]

I do not eat the eggs when using this since it can be ingested by you and affect the eggs you will be eating. I wait at least 4 days afterwards to be safe.

What is wrong with the eggs? What would happen if we consumed them? Can we cook and give back to the hen?

 

[casportpony]

I do not eat the eggs when using this since it can be ingested by you and affect the eggs you will be eating. I wait at least 4 days afterwards to be safe.

What is wrong with the eggs? What would happen if we consumed them? Can we cook and give back to the hen?

There's a link somewhere that says there's no withdrawal time.

-Kathy

 

[jnewsom]

I have a question.. if I have one chicken showing signs of parasites can I use corid as a treatment and a preventative for the whole flock? Or is it best to just treat the one showing signs?

 

[casportpony]

I have a question.. if I have one chicken showing signs of parasites can I use corid as a treatment and a preventative for the whole flock? Or is it best to just treat the one showing signs?

No harm in treating the whole flock.

-Kathy

 

[jnewsom]

Thank you