Temp & humidity help!! 1st hatch to set today

Hi BYC friends! I just got involved on this website a week ago or so & am loving it!

I'm doing a project for my son's school, and need to get my eggs set today. I've been waiting for some eggs (from the mail) but after almost a week they haven't shown up so I think I need to go ahead with some other eggs I got on Monday.

I've had the incubator plugged in for several days trying to get conditions right.

I have the hova bator 1602N which we added a fan to. The GQF thermometer that comes with it shows 98 while an old mercury oral thermometer I put in there reads 100.6. I have them both lying on top of some golf balls to simulate eggs. Which one do I trust?

I'm also confused about humidity -- in the hatching instructions on this site I believe it says 60% initially but I read the article on dry incubation & am wondering if that's too high for starting out. Not too tempted to try dry incubation since our air is so dry here (So. Cal).

Thanks in advance for your expertise!

Hi!

The Learning Center, off the main BYC Home page has TONS of newbie info, and if you play around with the "Search" feature you can find other threads with whatever question you may have.

That being said, Oldtimegator has a great hatching tutorial, which I am copying and pasting here since I can't link.

I printed this out and have it taped to the wall next to the calendar that I use to mark my egg turns. You can always set the "lost" batch of eggs when they arrive, just mark them differently with a pencil.

HAPPY HATCHING!!



OLDTIMEGATOR'S GUIDE:

From Egg To Chick:

Incubation Procedures


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OBTAINING HATCHING EGGS

Obtaining fertile eggs may present a problem, especially if you live in an urban area. Most of the eggs sold in grocery stores are not fertile and cannot be used for incubation. Fertile eggs can usually be obtained from hatcheries or poultry breeding farms. Look in the yellow pages of your telephone directory for names of hatcheries and poultry breeders. Or contact the farm adviser in your county agricultural extension service office for suggestions.

If possible, pick up the eggs yourself rather than have them shipped or mailed. It is difficult for hatcheries, post offices, and transportation companies to handle small orders of eggs properly.

CARE OF EGGS PRIOR TO INCUBATION

The hatchability of eggs can be severely reduced by improper care prior to incubation. Since it may not be practical for you to put the eggs in an incubator as soon as you get them, protect them from extreme variations in temperature. Ideally, eggs should not be more than 7 days old when they are set (placed in incubator). Beyond that point, hatchability declines.

If it is necessary to hold the eggs before you set them, turn them daily and keep them in a room where the temperature is around 50o F (10 C) and the relative humidity is 70 to 80 percent. The vegetable section of your refrigerator could be used for holding the egg until it is time to place them in the incubator. Temperatures below 40o F (4 C) reduce hatchability. Under no circumstances should the eggs be held at room temperature, because temperatures of this level are detrimental to hatchability. Embryos will begin develop at subnormal rates when the temperature reaches about 80o F (27 C)

LOCATION OF INCUBATOR

Locate your incubator in a room in which temperature is between 70o and 75o F (21 and 24 C), and which free from drafts and excessive variations in temperature. Do not place the incubator near windows where it will be exposed to the direct rays of the sun. The sun's rays may raise the temperature so much that all of the embryos will be destroyed.

READYING THE INCUBATOR FOR OPERATION

Before you set the eggs, be sure that the incubator is in good working order. Put some warm water in the water pan, place each thermometer so that the bulb of the thermometer is 1 inch (2.5 cm) above the screen, cover the incubator with the pane of glass, and then operate the incubator until the temperature inside it holds at 99o to 103oF (37 to 39 C).

Adjust the thermostat to control temperature in an incubator with a commercial heating unit. In an incubator with a light-bulb unit, control the temperature by adjusting the size of the opening at the top by moving the pane of glass back from the edge of the incubator, unless a thermostat has been installed. If you are using a plywood incubator, adjust the openings as necessary. Or in either incubator you can adjust the heat by using bulbs of different sizes. Forty-watt bulbs will be about the right size for most incubators. Make certain that the sides and top of the incubator fit closely so that no heat is lost. You may need to make many adjustments to reach a proper setting.

PREPARING THE EGGS FOR INCUBATION

Eggs must be turned while in the incubator, so before you put in the eggs mark them with a pencil so you can tell when they have been properly turned. An excellent method is to put an "X" on one side of the egg and an "0" on the opposite side. Then you can always tell when the eggs have been turned, because either all "0" 's or all "X"'s are turned up at the same time.

HUMIDITY

Nature has provided that the eggs shall dry out to some extent during incubation (Fig. 4). This loss should be about 11 percent of the original weight, but more than this is detrimental. Water must be placed in the incubator to avoid excessive moisture loss. Keep a pan of water inside at all times. The surface area of the pan should be about as large as the of eggs.



Size of the air cell in the egg on the 7th, 14th, and 18th days of incubation. (Fig. 4)


The amount of opening in the incubator also influences the level of humidity. When the humidity is too high, open the vents all the way on the plywood incubator or slide the glass further back on the cardboard incubator. When humidity is too low, the openings should be more nearly closed, but never completely so. Weather conditions will affect the relative humidity in the incubator.

The ideal moisture level is about 50 to 55 percent relative humidity (83o - 87o F (28 - 31 C) on a wet bulb thermometer) for the first 18 days and about 65 percent (89o - 90o F (31 - 32 C) wet bulb) for the last 3 days. Excessive drying because of low humidity will cause the chick to stick to the shell and fail to survive. Some variation above or below the ideal level usually will not affect hatchability drastically. Frequently, school incubators have too much ventilation and, therefore, too little moisture. This results in delayed or reduced hatches.

When you refill the water pan, use warm water. Hot or cold water will affect the temperature of the incubator too much. To increase the humidity level the last three days, set an extra pan of water in the incubator. Or you can put a wet sponge in the incubator to raise the humidity. A word of caution: Do not let the eggs come into direct contact with the water at any time.

TEMPERATURE

Temperature in the still-air incubator can vary from 99o to 103o F. (37 - 39 C) with no harmful effects if the temperature varies between these limits rather than staying at either extreme. If it stays at either extreme for several days, the hatch may be reduced somewhat. Overheating is much more critical than underheating. Overheating will result in abnormal embryos, speed up development, and lower hatchability. A thermometer should be in the center of the incubator if possible, and the bulb of the thermometer should be level with, but not touching, the tops of the eggs. If light bulbs are used to supply the heat they should be distributed as evenly as possible in the incubator.

VENTILATION

Proper ventilation is very important during the incubation process. While the embryo is developing, oxygen enters the egg through the shell, and carbon dioxide escapes in the same manner. As the chicks begin to hatch, it is essential that they receive an increasing supply of oxygen. This means that the air openings need to be opened gradually to increase the flow of air.

LENGTH OF INCUBATION

Chicken eggs require 21 days to hatch, but the incubation period for the eggs of other species of poultry varies. The approximate periods of incub a tion required for various species of poultry and game birds are:



Days
Chicken . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21
Turkey . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28
Duck . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28
Muscovy duck . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 33-35
Goose . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 29-31
Guinea . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 26-28
Pigeon . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16-18
Ring-neck pheasant . . . . . . . . . . 23-24
Mongolian pheasant . . . . . . . . . . 24-25
Bobwhite quail . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23
Japanese quail . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17-18
Chukar partridge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22-23
Peafowl . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28

TURNING THE EGGS

When the eggs are put in the incubator, lay them on their sides and turn them at least three times a day. Turning prevents the embryo from sticking to the shell membranes as it will do if it is left in one position too long. Good results can be obtained by turning the eggs the first thing in the morning, again at noon, and the last thing at night. But it is better to turn the eggs more than three times a day. In any case they should be turned an odd number of times so that the side that is up longest will be staggered from day to day. Otherwise the egg will be in the same position every night, which is the longest stretch of time between turns.

When you turn the eggs, move them to a different part of the tray to offset variations in temperature in the different parts of the incubator. Continue to turn the eggs from the first through the 17th days but do not turn them after the 17th day.

TESTING THE EGGS

Although it is not necessary to test eggs for fertility, you can eliminate the eggs which are not going to hatch by doing so. It is also an interesting phase of the project, since it is possible to see clearly the developing embryo.

Get a shoe box or a box of similar dimension made from wood or tin and cut a hole in one end about one inch in diameter. Use an extension cord and mount a 60-watt bulb in the box. Darken the room and hold the large end of the egg to the light. What you will see depends mostly on the age of the embryo. It is difficult to see much development until the 4th or 5th day of incubation.

The first parts of the embryo which you will be able to see by candling will be the head and eye, and they will appear as a dark object. If the embryo is alive and circulation is established, the contents of the egg will have a pinkish color or cast. But if the embryo is dead the contents will appear muddy or brownish.

The live and growing embryo will eventually occupy all of the interior of the egg and will not transmit light; thus, it will be impossible to see anything but the air cell at the end of the incubation period. Infertile eggs and early dead embryos can be detected readily because they appear clear.

Removing the eggs from the incubator for candling does little harm if you handle them gently. It may slow up development of the chick, though, depending upon how much the egg is cooled. Generally, if the eggs are removed from the incubator two or three times for a period of no more than 15 minutes each, such cooling will make little difference in the total incubation time required for hatching. On the other hand, if the eggs are cooled for several hours because of power failure or some other reason, hatching time may be delayed. It is as important not to cool the eggs too long as it is to avoid overheating.

FINAL STAGES OF INCUBATION

After the 17th day, eggs should not be turned, and the incubator should not be opened unless it becomes necessary to add water, replace a light bulb, or make some other necessary adjustment. Chicks will start to pip the shell around the 19th day. All chicks which are going to hatch should be out of their shells by the 21st day. If the eggs were chilled or you ran into operational difficulties during the incubation period, the hatch may be delayed. Chicks that hatch beyond the 22nd day are usually not healthy, vigorous ones.

When most of the eggs are hatched, lower the temperature to approximately 95o> F (35 C). This permits the newly-hatched chicks to dry off. At this time, all the air vents in the plywood incubator should be opened, and the glass top on the cardboard incubator should be opened wider.

HOW THE CHICK EMERGES FROM THE SHELL

The head of the chick develops at the large end of the egg. Between the 15th and 16th days, the chick orients itself so that its head is near the air cell at the large end of the egg. Not long before the chick is ready to attempt to make its way out of the shell its neck acquires a double bend so that its beak is under its right wing and pointed toward the air cell. About the 19th day the chick thrusts its head forward. Its beak quickly breaks through the inner shell membrane, and the chick's lungs begin to function. Complete breathing by the lungs usually does not occur until the 20th day of incubation.

Using its egg tooth (a tiny, sharp, horny projection on the end of its beak), the chick pecks at the shell thousands of times. Finally, the young bird pips its way through the shell and begins to breathe air directly from the outside. After the chick has made a hole in the shell, it stops pipping for three to eight hours and rests. During this time, it is acclimating its lungs to the outside atmosphere. After the resting stage is completed, the second stage of pipping begins.

The chick begins to turn slowly inside the egg. As it turns, usually counter-clockwise, the cutting edge of the chick tooth continues to chip away. In two to five hours, the chick has made about three quarters of a turn inside the egg. As the chick progresses in its movement around the shell, it begins pushing on the egg cap (large end). Squirming and struggling, the chick works feverishly for about 40 minutes pushing at the cap. Finally with a vigorous shove, the chick breaks free from the shell, still wet and panting.

When the chick is freed completely from the shell, it lies still. Its energy has been virtually exhausted, and it is extremely tired. After a rest of some few minutes, the chick begins to rise to its feet and gain coordination of its muscles. Within a few days the egg tooth, its usefulness over, will disappear.


REASONS FOR POOR HATCHES

Infertile eggs.

Eggs too old when set.

Parent stock weak, unhealthy, or fed a nutritionally deficient diet.

Improper care of eggs prior to incubation.

Shell contamination.

Eggs not turned often enough.

Temperatures too high, too low, or too variable during incubation.

Too little humidity in the incubator or occasionally too much.

Improper ventilation.

Oxygen starvation.




WHAT TO DO AFTER THE CHICKS HATCH

As soon as the chicks have dried and fluffed up completely, remove them from the incubator and place them in holding quarters where the temperature is approximately 95o F (35 C). Then give them fresh water and feed. Rearing the chicks as a project has certain limitations, but if they are to be kept for a few days, they should be given a chick-starting mash obtainable at any feed or farm supply store. Fresh water is also important.

Since the disposal of day-old or started chicks may be difficult, have the solution to this problem worked out before you undertake this project. If you are going to rear the chicks at home, secure your parents' permission and cooperation in advance.

Cleaning the incubator. When the hatch is completed, disconnect the incubator. Remove all shells and unhatched eggs and wipe the interior clean with a soapy sponge. Permit the incubator to air dry for several days by leaving the door open.

Cleaning can be made easier if you place a layer or two of cheesecloth or crinoline on the rack on the 17th or 18th day of incubation to catch the egg shell and other debris. This will also help to prevent injury to the chicks' navels. After the chicks are removed the cheesecloth can be discarded.

Thank you WiseChicks! It was good to read that article. Does anyone have an opinion whether my old mercury oral thermometer or the GQF thermometer would be more accurate? I picked up a few other thermometers at the pet store just now including a digital thermometer with a probe & a Fluker.

Now I'm just hoping the lost batch of eggs shows up with the mailman today!

I used to live in Fullerton and go to school in Brea... Lived near Fullerton college.

98 gt - did you have chickens in Fullerton? How are you liking NC?

I grew up in Fullerton, too. Went to FUHS, across the street from Fullerton college! Small world.

We have been having issues with keeping the humidity just right in our homemade incubator. With the Santa Ana winds last week the outside air was soooo low. I was constantly adding water 3 times a day. It's better this week.

Did your eggs ever show up, OC Chick? What kind of eggs did you end up with from Ham and Eggs Ranch and how many?!

Good luck.

Only ones that escaped from the agriculture dept. of the colege... Had a sheep run through the yard once too.

Nice to hear from So Cal person trying to deal with humidity. It sure has been dry recently but I think it's becoming more seasonal now.

I got 15 eggs from ham and eggs - GLW's, buff brahmas, EE's, 3 serama eggs, and one white silkie (which I really want!!). They've been in the bator since last night.

On the advice of my husband, who has an engineer's mind, after having 4 thermometers in there, I chose one to stick with. He said since the two digitals that were in there (one Oregon Scientific, one Fluker) were in close agreement I should go with one of those. So the Fluker is in there. I'm a little nervous b/c it's reading 99.0 right now, but yesterday when I had them all in there the two digitals were about 2 degrees lower than the one that came with the incubator and 3 degrees lower than the old mercury thermometer I put in there. When the one that came with the bator was reading 100, the digitals were about 98.

What to do? Should I put my faith in the fluker & bring it up to 99.5, or hedge & keep it a little lower? Am I screwed already since it's been at 98 something overnight -- I was afraid to turn it up last night - didn't want to come out in the morning & see it at 102. I'm guessing hopefully it's ok if it was a little low for the first 12 hrs?

Also - on humidity - reading 48% right now. From what I've read on dry incubation (not that I'm doing that) I'm thinking I'll keep it there for now. Any thoughts?

close enough to 50% ive been in NC since 1995 and its been tolerable... charleston SC on the other hand...not so fun for humidity...

OCchickens,

I'm sorry. Did you get the PM on the fertile egg pics? I'm having personal technical difficulties with PM's. This is probably a duplicate.

Here is the link to the good pics of opened/ cracked fertile eggs vs. infertile. It compares the dot on the yoke.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=16008