Please give me your opinion on Charlie Girl (dog) (sorry long)

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Charlie is a (spayed) female irish wolfhound mix, approx. 10 years old. I got her as an abuse rescue when she was about 11 months old. She has had heartworms her whole life, but my vet insists that she (and her heart) are doing really well for a dog with heartworms. If you could see this dog run across a field (like a greyhound) you'd never guess she has heartworms. She has been urine incontinent for about two months now. We attributed it to her getting old. It embarrasses Charlie when she has an accident and she tries to clean up after herself.
Anyhow, Charlie woke us up in the middle of the night about two weeks ago in obvious pain. We thought she was having a heart attack - the vet said when she goes it will be quick and most likely from a heart attack.
We took her to the vet that morning. The vet couldn't do a complete exam, because Charlie was in too much pain, but she diagnosed a kidney infection. She gave Charlie a shot for pain & a shot of antibiotics and gave us oral antibiotics to give her for 10 days.
Charlie perked up for a few days after the shots, though she still leaks urine regularly. A couple of days ago Charlie started favoring a front leg, although we can't find any injury. We've started giving her a children's ibuprofen a day, recommended by the vet and it seems to help.

Last night we noticed a huge lump close to Charlie's spine, about midway down her back. It's about the size of a large lemon. It's very hard, but not painful to touch.
I'm very scared this is a tumor on her spine and the reason for her painful legs and urine incontinence.
We are still paying for our wedding last week and our lawn mower blew up on us over the weekend. I can squeeze out the money to take her to the vet, maybe some shots, but it'll be a month or so before I could afford a full work-up with x-rays and such.

Anyone experienced anything like this with their dog?
I welcome all opinions.

Please note: The vet and I have discussed having Charlie treated for the heartworms many times. The treatment for heartworms is painful and expensive. We've agreed that Charlie has done so well with the heartworms, it's better not to treat in her case.
 
gritsar, at her age...she would not live through the injections.

My labrador had heartworms until he was 2 years old. We had no idea as the vet we WERE at never checked. He was given the shots and honestly...I knew we were going to lose him. He was in such pain from the shots that we gave him morphine. The morphine made him hallucinate and move around. It was awful.

I can't believe I'm saying it, but do not give her the injections. She just won't make it through.

Have you thought of doggie diapers? They are actually made for females that are in heat, but work very well for keeping the pee from messing up the floor and hopefully keeping her from cleaning it up.

The tumor, it "may" be a fatty cyst. I'm not certain if Irish Wolfhound's are prone to fatty cysts, but my laborador has them on his chest. It doesn't hurt him, but scared me to freakin' death when I first saw it.
 
Does Charlie seem happy with her life, or mostly miserable?
If she's happy, get her some diapers and do what you can without breaking the bank.
If she seems miserable, it may be time to set her spirit free.

If the lump is causing the problem, then a biopsy will be painful. And what will you do if you get a bad answer? She sounds too fragile for actual surgery.

What a tough call.
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Hang in there.

Been there, gone through it with an elderly cat that had cancer. I loved Puff-N-Stuff and setting her free from her painfilled body was very hard to do. You have my deepest sympathies if that's the course you feel is the right one.
 
M, Thanks for your reply. Yes, we are definitely not going to treat for the heartworms. I just didn't want to get slammed for not treating her. When Charlie was younger I couldn't afford to have her treated and now that I'm in a situation where I could afford to have her treated, she's too old.
The vet insists that in her case it's better that she not be treated. Actually on three seperate occasions the vet has re-tested her because Charlie does so well with the heartworms and the vet says its possible for a dog to throw off the infestation. She's still positive.
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I'm going to call the vet in a bit and explain to them that we could afford the office visit and some shots, but not a full workup. Maybe they'll be willing to work with us.
 
Could you have them do a fluid biopsy? See if there is any fluid in the lump and have them biopsy that rather than have to put her under for the works??
 
First off, a
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to both of you. wegotchickens thanks for your kind words.
I just talked to the vet and explained our situation. The vet is going to give us stronger pain meds and another course of (different) antibiotics for Charlie until the beginning of next month when I can hopefully afford to get her a full work-up.
The urine incontinence really doesn't bother me, as far as a mess goes. Most of our floors are tile and easily cleaned. The amazing (and sad) thing about Charlie is that she has a total of five dog beds but she stopped using them when she first started being incontinent. She now insists on sleeping on the tile floors - easier for her to clean up.
Right now she seems to be enjoying life more than she is suffering. The other day I took her for a walk after she had some ibuprofen in her. She really seemed to enjoy it. She caught the scent of what I believe was a bobcat I'd seen in the same area and I had to call her off. She really wanted to follow that scent.
 
Your vet recommended ibuprofen???....please stop giving her ibuprofen! Childrens aspirin is ok...but ibuprofen is bad for dogs! It can cause stomach and intestinal ulcers and kidney problems! Are you SURE it was ibuprofen they suggested???.....In general vets will tell you to use aspirin but explicitly warn against ibuprofen/tylenol. If your vet really told you to give her ibuprofen I would be looking for a new vet... I apologize if this seems harsh...but you really need to get her off the ibuprofen NOW

At any rate...I hope you get her feeling better!



*edited for a stupid spelling error...
 
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Yes the vet recommende the ibuprofen. I'm going to stop giving it today anyhow as she is going to prescibe something stronger. Actually when I called the vet a little while ago I spoke to the vet's daughter who is now a freshly graduated vet herself. She didn't say anything about not giving her the ibu. when I mentioned it.
 
I am not a vet and am not going to claim to be one....but I do have a degree in animal sciences and went to vet school for a year (did not fail out...dropped out b/c I hated school too much to continue)...I've also worked for a couple different vets...and have ALWAYS been warned against using ibuprofen and tylenol (acetominophen)...and have seen emergencies related to it on Animal Planet shows.

Just one quick link...
http://www2.aspca.org/aspcablog/2007/02/pet-poison-q-ibuprofen-dogs-dont-mix.html

Ah here.....from the Merck Veterinary Manual
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/214009.htm&word=ibuprofen
Ibuprofen, 2-(4-isobutylphenyl) propionic acid, is used for its anti-inflammatory, antipyretic, and analgesic properties in animals and humans. It is rapidly absorbed orally in dogs with peak plasma concentrations seen in 30 min to 3 hr. Presence of food can delay absorption and the time to reach peak plasma concentration. The mean elimination half-life is ~4.6 hr. Ibuprofen is metabolized in the liver to several metabolites, which are mainly excreted in the urine within 24 hr. The major metabolic pathway is via conjugation with glucuronic acid, sometimes preceded by oxidation and hydroxylation.
Ibuprofen has been recommended in dogs at 5 mg/kg. However, prolonged use at this dosage may cause gastric ulcers and perforations. GI irritation or ulceration, GI hemorrhage, and renal damage are the most commonly reported toxic effects of ibuprofen ingestion in dogs. In addition, CNS depression, hypotension, ataxia, cardiac effects, and seizures can be seen. Ibuprofen has a narrow margin of safety in dogs. Dogs dosed with ibuprofen at 8-16 mg/kg/day, PO for 30 days showed gastric ulceration or erosions, along with other clinical signs of GI disturbances. An acute single ingestion of 100-125 mg/kg can lead to vomiting, diarrhea, nausea, abdominal pain, and anorexia. Renal failure may follow dosages of 175-300 mg/kg. CNS effects (ie, seizures, ataxia, depression, coma) in addition to renal and GI signs can be seen at dosages >400 mg/kg. Dosages >600 mg/kg are potentially lethal in dogs.

I would be leary of any vet that recommends using ibuprofen, even at "safe" doses, when there are safer alternatives available such as aspirin (buffered, not enteric coated).​
 
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I read the link, thank you.
The doses the people posting on that link mentioned seemed awful high to me. My vet prescribed 75 mg. a day for Charlie and she weighs close to 90 lbs.
At any rate, she'll be on the new pain medicine today and we'll see how she does.
Her kidney trouble does not seem related to the ibuprofen use. The last time (and only time) I had to give her ibu. before this was for a painful hip two years ago and then only for a few days.
 

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