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  1. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    cheers Trisha. although really hard to see from just 2 pics, but I rather the top fellas type too, he seems to be well balanced also, but that's just me, -I don't really gravitate to the silhouettes of the modern EU type - particularly German, but rather the outline of the old Van Gink...
  2. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    nice back ups Trisha! I like the strength on the top fella, carried right the way through his legs, and his tidy finishing blade, and nicely held wings on both of them. would be really interesting to see how these 2 boys would breed side by side, and how their female progeny look, since they are...
  3. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    further more arguing my point!
  4. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    thanks Trisha, no hurry with those pics, hope your ankle mends soon. good to hear that you have a male that your hapy with his progeny. but that green sheen blue is really interesting, not using interesting as code for 'bad', but interesting as it shows more querks of the barnevelder genotype
  5. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Marvin, your very own pic you've posted argues with this point, the male below (to me at least) is clearly wrong just look at that lower hackle and saddle this is the kind of bird that I have had in my minds eye when I was saying many pages ago, not to focus on the chest colour of the male -...
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    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

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    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

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    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    you can tell e+ splits too. and Wheaton's effect can be seen, it is more subtle but nonetheless apparent once you have your eye in.
  9. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    interesting pics Trisha. thanks for sharing them question, do you see the green sheen often in your blues? I have ever seen it at all (often I use the absence of it as a good indicator that a juv is blue - in those hard to tell ones at that 12-14week old age bracket) also do you have any close...
  10. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    cant say I agree with you there Marvin. e+ based barnies are pretty easy to spot even in adult feather, as are wheatons, (wheaton based are more subtle) wildtype based females have very much the calling card salmon chest of duckwing, and the lacing just doesn't stick to it very well
  11. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Brilliant Redcap, that's exactly the paper I had in my memory! thanks will have to save this link, this time! cheers
  12. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    repeatable just means that, how well that the trait is repeated over a given period or into the next measurement period ie a hen that lays a speckled egg at one point of her laying cycle , will highly likely lay a speckled egg at aother point, or in a subsequent year, so in other words if you...
  13. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    As you can see from my pics, some of my hens will lay the rounded eggs, one thing in that article is nonsense (likend to the 3 eggs in one day reference from Piet) is that these eggs still have air sacks in the blunt end. But I have found this trait (rounded eggs) to be heritable.. mothers...
  14. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Piet, I 100% agree with you,~artists and writers have their own creative interpretations back then as it is still now, this is where you can use a bit of science to cut through the what a geneticist might refer to as 'noise', genetics doesn't lie. This is what I like to use as a concrete base...
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  16. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Thanks Piet for that link, yes I have read that, along with many other historical accounts not only of the Barnevelder but of other breeds. Interestingly, that article mentions the Shanghai as one of the predecessors of the Barnevelder, something that I have seen in many other old texts and to...
  17. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    thanks Trisha sounds like youre really gonna plant the foot down this year, tremendous! I am yet to find that male that am happy enough with to use for another year, so fingers crossed for your fella! but with my search for good egg colour too, he is nearly 2 before that's apparent, and I...
  18. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    Thanks Andy, chamois is where the black is replaced with white in the standard barnie, like this female below: from: http://www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Geelwitdubbelgezoomd Heterosis is just another term for hybrid vigour, were you get an extra boost in traits...
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    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    my evidence is only anecdotal Redcap, but no doubt youre familiar with the seminal paper from Dickerson 1973, Inbreeding and Heterosis in animals. Four way cross is of inbred lines discussed in there, basically the model that the commercial use now
  20. poultch

    Barnevelder breeders lets work together and improve the breed

    It’s way more complicated than that Piet, that method is entry level approach, fine and a near enough is good enough if larger flock breeding ie more than a couple hens per pen. I’ll try and give you 2-3 examples to help you see my point. (sorry for those that have probably seen these arguments...
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