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    Chicken Nipples: Enough Water?

    Sounds like they are generally fearful birds. Sad. I used a remote bucket so that's a difference. I also mounted mine "high" (for fledglings) and gave the chickens a block of wood as a booster. That way I won't have to mess with it as they grow. They seem to like climbing up on the block of...
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    Chicken Nipples: Enough Water?

    My chicks figured out the nipples on their own within about 10 seconds. They were at 4 or 5 weeks and I was checking out how well the nipples seal and to lower the pipe into the brooder (where they already had a conventional inverted-jar water source) ... within 10 seconds a chick/fledgling came...
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    Husky Tale With A Horrible Ending

    You should be able to get the value destroyed. E.g. http://www.localharvest.org/pastured-free-range-chicken-heritage-C6515 - $46 per bird at the high end. That'll end up covering the cost of feed because commercial farmers try to cover all their costs when setting a price. Maybe you could argue...
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    Livestock guardian dogs

    Yeah, that's right, a lot of people disagree with you so they must all be wrong. Personally, since the biggest threat my "flock" faces is the neighbor's dog, and I'm in an area where I can shoot dogs that bother my flock, I don't need or have a LGD at all... but if I did, you can bet I...
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    Livestock guardian dogs

    Pits aren't intimidating to coyotes and coyotes are known to attack them. http://newportbeach.patch.com/articles/pitbull-attacked-by-coyote Beyond that, they are bred to fixate on a single prey animal, which means a couple pack members distract the pit while the others eat the cats, chickens...
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    Livestock guardian dogs

    "...but mine will even herd cattle." Isn't that a sign that they aren't really suitable for the LGD role? I don't have experience with LGDs per se, but I have experience with a 2.5 acre fenced yard in coyote country, and various size dogs. We had dogs that were about 40lbs, about 60lbs...
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    Dog killed my chickens, I killed the dog

    Car drivers must have mandatory training, car owners pay high taxes (in California where I grew up the annual tax bill for a car was hundreds of dollars...just the taxes), if your car plows into a crowd you will be criminally charged - even if you simply forgot to set the parking brake and it...
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    Dog killed my chickens, I killed the dog

    Mandatory training for dog owners before they can get a dog? Punitive taxes on dogs so that dog ownership is limited to people more likely to have money to compensate livestock owners (or at least they have strong incentives to keep the dog from all public attention if they are trying to evade...
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    Permission to shoot neighbor's dogs

    1) What's random about anything they (or anyone on this thread) discussed? 2) Using the word "accountable" shows a total miss of reality. Nobody is talking about holding the dogs accountable. They are talking about defending against an active threat. The best interpretation of "accountable" is...
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    Permission to shoot neighbor's dogs

    Probably for the protection of young (newborn) livestock.
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    Please help me understand meat eaters not wanting to process a chicken!

    It is pretty awesome. Yay capitalism. Were you expressing agreement or disagreement? Or just general enthusiasm for being able to buy tasty animals instead of having to bloody your own knife?
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    Permission to shoot neighbor's dogs

    In fairness, if you research those cases they probably aren't really relevant. The second person tied the dog to a tree before she shot it. The fact that she could get it tied up kinda detracts from her saying it was an immediate threat to her or her property. Knowing the animal was tied up...
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    Please help me understand meat eaters not wanting to process a chicken!

    Add: "...without killing me in the process." :) I couldn't take even one season of Jersey Shore.....
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    Please help me understand meat eaters not wanting to process a chicken!

    LOL... thanks! I appreciate the effort, though I'm not sure anyone on this planet has the power to stop one of my trainwrecks.... :D
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    Please help me understand meat eaters not wanting to process a chicken!

    Quote: I think in this case they were positing The End of the World as we Know it, a scenario where everyone needs help and if someone steals your chickens you won't be able to replace them, or have any more eggs to give away. In that scenario I could completely see preemptively sharing...
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    Please help me understand meat eaters not wanting to process a chicken!

    Who? I tried googling, but I don't think you meant the Higgins Armory Museum http://www.higgins.org/ :)
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    Please help me understand meat eaters not wanting to process a chicken!

    Wow... is it really that outré? Seems clear as interstellar vacuum to me. Killing (put whatever weasel words you want there) has ethical ramifications regardless of what you are killing. Sometimes those ramifications are slight (e.g. killing a bacterium), sometimes they are substantial...
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    Please help me understand meat eaters not wanting to process a chicken!

    Hmm.. Let's try this way: Someone mentioned a person who thought everyone who eats meat should slaughter at least one animal by their own hand. I don't buy that. If you kill an animal and eat it there are ethical ramifications. Paying someone to kill is killing. Buying something which can...
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    Noob seeks advice: Rebuild or replace?

    A dog would be an easy sell - I like them and am used to having them around. I've never had a "Livestock Guardian" as such - the closest I've come was when I lived in an are where (by zoning) 2 acres was the minimum residential lot size. Apart from being a good pet he was great for keeping...
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    Please help me understand meat eaters not wanting to process a chicken!

    I don't usually buy "everyone should _____" about anything. But.... If you eat meat, you cause animals to be killed. It does not matter whether you do the killing and butchering yourself, you pay someone to do it for you, or you receive the finished product. The moral responsibilities...
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