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  1. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    Thanks . Livonia does have a turkey farm I think it's on Middlebelt by Plymouth road. It's been there like 40 years. I should go there and have a chat before my birds arrive.
  2. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    Thanks honestly I did see what your saying I just wanted to look at it from the city's perspective taking a conservative interpretation. I don't know if your familiar with Livonia but they suck. I still think poultry needs an separate rule stating in any city up to so many pounds per however...
  3. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    Honestly I'm against stupid rules like that it was just a quick suggestion. After thinking about it the size of your lot should be the determining factor. A way to let people do what they wish without crazy stocking levels like 1 bird (even broad breasted turkeys) per 3sqft of yard. Just an...
  4. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    RTFA says people meeting GAAMPS are legal. GAAMPS has criteria which I don't believe we can meet in a backyard. Mainly distance to neighbors which is exactly why MDARD wouldn't certify the majority of michigan backyard chicken members.
  5. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    There is no requirement to get verification unless you want to use GAAMPS to assert your RTFA rights. If you lived in a rural community you don't need any of it but this is backyard chickens not farm chickens lol.
  6. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    You don't think that facilities with under 50 units are to be judged based on 50 unit criteria? It's LITERALLY the next sentence from what you just quoted here it is again your quote and the next sentence. Producers with new and expanding livestock production facilities that have a total...
  7. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    think about it like this from a under 50 animal unit prespective a dozen chickens is way under 50, so is a beef cow. there is a reason under 50 units must meet the 50+ criteria, so I don't get 49.95 animal units in my surburban Detroit neighborhood. does anyone know of a good way to get a law...
  8. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    cranberry gaamps mean nothing when your trying to just produce livestock. the point of the majority of backyard chickens members are wanting rtfa protection against local ordinance which is dealing with livestock. gaamps pertaining to livestock obviously apply including new site selection...
  9. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    I don't wish to argue with anyone I just want to have 20 or less turkeys in a city under 95,000 people which is less than the 100,000 rtfa mentions. I want to have as much legal ground to stand on as I can but I have to think like the "enemy" does to anticipate the issues and I don't have a...
  10. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    Right but you have to follow gaamps to be covered under right to farm so making the argument that gaamps don't apply destroys rtfa protection. trust me I want to find a loophole where I don't need gaamps to get right to farm but I can't find one. rtfa clearly states that you have to comply...
  11. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    same document page 13 ~VI. SITE REVIEW AND VERIFICATION PROCESS The GAAMPs for Site Selection and Odor Control for New and Expanding Livestock Production Facilities are applicable for producers with new and expanding livestock production facilities with a capacity of 50 animal units or greater...
  12. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    keep reading it says to gain site approval for under 50 units the standard for 50 units is used.
  13. andrewhill

    Michigan Right to Farm Law, what does it mean?

    Right to farm does not cover backyard chickens. For right to farm to apply gaamps must be followed. The new site selection gaamp requires 1500 feet from livestock to your neighbors. You can say that applys to 50+ animal units only but the same law says facilities with less than 50 go by the...
  14. andrewhill

    Midget White Turkey Questions

    Not to hijack the thread but can someone answer how tall a midget white is compared to a standard?
  15. andrewhill

    Double breasted meaning

    Thanks, I plan on recording things like growth rate and final size, and keeping multiple pens with each set of midgets and bbw being unrelated to the rest of the pens the first year. The second year I will breed just the original midgets and the hybrids. From there just the hybrids. I'm...
  16. andrewhill

    Double breasted meaning

    Thank you, I actually am starting with midget whites first I'm getting eggs from pawtraitart (I think that's how it's spelled) a member here and I'm going to add sandhill and s&s stock later.
  17. andrewhill

    Double breasted meaning

    So after googling "poultry double breasted" I still am not sure what it means besides larger breasts. Is there a sure fire way to know if a breed is double breasted besides size like shape or something? I would like to start my own personal hybrids of bbw and midget white to end up with a...
  18. andrewhill

    Indoor turkeys

    Imagine the roosters throat expanding with a shock collar on, the collar would prevent it from doing so just like the tie except now there are two metal studs jamming the chicken in the throat. Yeah that's humane. Anyone have a cattle prod for sale my cat needs to learn not to meow. (Sarcasm)
  19. andrewhill

    Indoor turkeys

    So you would never dream of having a loose piece of plastic around a roosters neck to prevent it from crowing but a shock collor which is loose fitting and made of plastic that electrocutes the animal for short bursts is ok? I swear I don't get some peoples logic. No offence.
  20. andrewhill

    Fancy coop ideas!

    Then again a pre Islam Taj Mahal would be sweet also. ( I believe the story or the taj being built for a burial site to be false and it was a Vedic temple before that)
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