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:gig very funny :D Thanks for the informative post!

that's an interesting paper. I was particularly struck by its usefulness against cocci as well as worms. And I did not hitherto know how important is the role specifically of chicken keepers in the development of antibiotic resistance: "The main cause of antibiotic resistance in people and...

You both make an important point about birds self-medicating with specific plants as and when they need to. It raises another point, to wit, that we should not be quick to judge whether they do or don't like/eat a given plant. Because they only consume medicinal plants when they need to, and...

Further to this there's a piece in our national online paper today that has essentially reduced it to easy to read bullet points https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/doctors-advice-secret-weapon-your-29160467 It's about people's health of course, but chickens are also monogastric (as...

As it happens, there is a piece in the Guardian about antimicrobial resistance this morning, which explains in a very clear way what it is and how it's spreading...

For me, what works (no birds lost to worms here; the layers' productivity is probably below their maximum potential, but the sale of surplus eggs still covers all my costs; this is a low-input modest-output management model) is to let them go where they like, when they like eat what they...

No-one is claiming that there is no mortality. Everyone accepts that in cases of severe infestation worms can kill. But the literature shows that such cases are rare, they are not the norm. And the literature also shows that prophylactic treatment is at best brief in its effects, is creating...

yes, several times. And the article I cited earlier in BMC Vet research 2021, and some others. That worms are common outside of the modern 'all in all out in 6 week timeframes with disinfection in between' modern production method is not in dispute. Modern confinement when combined with the...

Let's be clear. This is the first line of the entry on helminthiasis in poultry in the MSD vet manual: "Helminthiasis is infestation by parasitic worms. In rare cases, affected birds develop clinical signs such as apathy or diarrhea. " In rare cases birds develop clinical signs. Signs such as...

I do not understand your point; can you rephrase please? I certainly haven't claimed that "prolonging treatment for worms won't cause them to become malnourished".

so, under worms, it says "Capillaria Signs and illness development Signs of Capillaria are difficult to detect since this is a chronic type of infection. Some birds may, therefore, fail to show the obvious signs. However, you can analyze non-specific signs such as: Weight loss Intermittent...

would you care to cite some evidence that supports your opinion?

if you read the paper I linked you will see that sometimes it goes the other way round; a healthy bird fights off an infestation, a sick or malnourished bird succumbs

And how do you know that the worms were the killers, rather than just thriving in the bird's last days because the bird was already dying of something else? past performance is not a reliable indicator of current effectiveness. Every application of wormer favours the selection of individuals...

Chickens and their parasites (and any intermediary hosts) have co-evolved. It is an assumption that any parasite is a bad thing for the bird, as it used to be assumed that any microbe was a 'germ' to be destroyed if possible. Now we know better. There are more microbes in our bodies than there...

you apparently didn't read this: vet manual, professional version, about poultry worms and wormers, the quote is just a small part of the entry, you might want to read the whole page

that sounds more like coccidiosis than worms. Compare your birds' symptoms with description here https://www.msdvetmanual.com/poultry/coccidiosis-in-poultry/coccidiosis-in-poultry

exactly. Some worm burden is normal and not a cause for concern. Key points from the MSD vet manual page earlier cited are: "Helminthiasis is an infestation with parasitic worms and usually does not cause clinical signs. Reliable speciation is done based on the morphology of the adult worms...

agreed, but resistance to anthelmintics is a growing issue. The following is about the problem with sheep, but a similar situation is developing with poultry and other farmed animals: "The SCOPS guidelines are summarised as: Always make sure that any treatment you give is fully effective. Try...

I wish I knew! Perhaps only do it if they really, really need it, and not just prophylactically?