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  1. deb1

    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: I am out of tea. Why didn't I read your post before I went to the store.
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: Anyone who isn't part of a monotheistic religion.
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    I have WHAT in my yard? : I have read the Stark book. At one point the local school district was arguing evolution and it was cited as a reference. I have read the bible the Q'ran (but not the Hadith), the book of Mormon, the Scientology book - it just was called scientology - I will read any...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: I think that you are both correct. There was a Saint Nick. He was a fiesty man who did good works. But the commercialized concept of Santa Claus is not at all like him. Saint Nicolas was from Turkey. I doubt that he ran around in a red, fur suit giving out toys just because some kids...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: *Stares blankly* Santa Claus is based on the actual Saint Nick, but was popularized in the mid-1800's by an atheist. Actually, much of the Saint Nick 'mythos' is based in large part on Odin. I think that you are both correct. There was a Saint Nick. He was a fiesty man who did good...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    When I started this thread, it wasn't with the intent to put down Christians. I am a Christian myself. So far, I have liked the way this thread has focused on our similiarities but I am afraid that our thread might get closed down.
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: I am in the southeast and there are a lot of fundamentalists who assume that a 'real' Christian can not believe in evolution. I certainly am a real Christian and have a strong love of science. It can be very frustrating to order science books for my children(we homeschool) and discover...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: I am in the southeast and there are a lot of fundamentalists who assume that a 'real' Christian can not believe in evolution. I certainly am a real Christian and have a strong love of science. It can be very frustrating to order science books for my children(we homeschool) and discover...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: I agree.
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    I have WHAT in my yard? : Religious tolerance .org is one of my favorite sites!! I always ask people if they know why they drag a dying tree into their houses to celebrate christmas. Most don't know. An then when they learn the convoluted means by which things become tradition!! Like...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    My own belief is that there are certain truths that a higher power wants us to know. That is why there is a overlap in some practices. Its really amazing when you stop to think about it.
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    I have WHAT in my yard? : Oh yeah the basic principles are different simply due to the monotheism vs poly or pantheism issue. No getting past that. Heirerarchical issues etc etc..... But, add candles and ritualistic recitations and movements, even (potential dogma bomb here not meant to...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: Now I understand you and this is the sort of similarities that I find not only fascinating but encouraging. We could start a whole different thread on the similarites in different religions.
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: What about all the saints and their individual patronages? The word heathen is much older than when America was discovered. just using them as an example 12 years of Catholic School and an Irish immigrant family. Been there HIJACK ALERT!!! Just clarifying cause I am a nerd. In...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: True, true, but while they used the term heathens - weren't they also technically pagans?? Yes, but I'm pretty sure they referred to them as heathens as an excuse for their slaughter. (including the Aztecs) Heathens = non-believers, uncivilized, barbarians..... Some of the...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: I have heard(never seen it myself) that on some reservations the priest will burn certain herbs(sage??) for smoke instead of incense out of respect for Native American traditions. I have always thought that was sort of cool. I think you mean Holy man (priest) they also had a woman...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    I have WHAT in my yard? : Pagan used to mean "country folk", as in those uneducated or unsophisticated. It was a pejorative and as such was used to make fun of country folk who still believed in earth-based gods goddesses or other spiritual beliefs. This was , of course, after many of the...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: Heathen (aka heathen infidel) is something people (christians maybe?) call other people that have different (religious) views that they don't agree with. It's a derogatory word. There may be other definitions, but that's my understanding of it. As opposed to pagans, that are...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Quote: That is interesting! My great grandmother was a herbalist and midwife. My grandmother said that the kids in her family only saw the doctor when they were born and when they had to have their appendixes taken out. My grandmother was born before antibiotics(1919), so the fact that she...
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    Inventions To Thank Pagans For

    Just ignore me.
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