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We didn't remove the ledge completely we just lowered it. I think we may have to remove it completely. The roosting bars are all higher than the ledge now but they are still roosting on the ledge. Although I may not bother since the ledge is lower than the nesting boxes they aren't pooping in...

I'm in trouble then because one bar is higher than the ledge and they are still using the ledge. I can't put both bars higher than the ledge because my coop is only just over four feet high.

We've got neighbors who have chickens and they run free and don't even have a coop but we live in phoenix and it's pretty warm here so I guess that's fine for them but we choose to build a coop and run and ended up needing it because our dogs wouldn't stop killing our chickens. They even broke...