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  1. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    I have a 2 year old hen whose hackle was too blonde in her first adult feathering. I can't tell her hackle apart from the others now, it's nice reddish copper color. I don't know why it changed so much... maybe it has something to do with hormone levels when the feathers are developing, or...
  2. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    You might have some BC in there, but I don't see feathers on any shanks. The yellow is probably not Black Copper x Partridge Pene because the only chicks that have yellow down are either white or wheaten based. Some lines of Black Copper have Wheaten pop out at times, it is quite common, and...
  3. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    One distinction to make here is what you are calling Wheaten. There is only one wheaten gene that makes a Marans "wheaten", and a Black Copper may display white shanks, less black in the hackle, brown fluff in the bum, and red on the chest of roosters without having the wheaten gene. These...
  4. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Breeding out the wheaten gene is not hard. It's easier than yellow skin, white earlobes, or black legs. But Marans with wheaten in their backgrounds are sometimes missing other genes that must be later selected for and bred back into your flock. These are the challenge. Different melanizers...
  5. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Comb growth differs a lot between lines. I think sometimes when comb development outstrips the growth of the head and skull you get a slight wave that does go away when the head catches up. But I have only seen this in my cuckoos. Some of them have a really bad twist at initial development -...
  6. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Hey Wynette, I can see how there might be misunderstandings from the progression of posts on yellow skin. The term "recessive for" in most of the posts should read "heterozygous for". Heterozygous recessive means the gene is hiding. If it is test mated to prove that a particular bird is not...
  7. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    A general observation made by some on this thread, including me, is that chicks with more yellow overall, tend to feather out darker then the birds with less yellow or white chickdown. What I have found is the chicks with the least amount of white - on neck, face, etc. tend to have more copper...
  8. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Alaina - BS marans - does that mean Blue Splash?
  9. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    6 months old is great, especially in mid-winter. Some wait til spring, especially wheatens. Congrats!
  10. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Thanks, that's very helpful. I don't know why I don't remember ever reading that.
  11. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    I have a question about wing carriage. I know wing carriage is not supposed to be too low - I've had other breeds that hold their wings down low like seramas, but my marans are usually not too low. I think I remember Don complimenting someone's chicks because their wing carriage was nice and...
  12. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Quote: That is very typical. Even in single matings I see some variation. Far less than when hatching from an entire flock, but even here in Europe, when I'm "shopping" I see huge variation in birds and their offspring. I don't think anyone has bred Marans down to "cookie cutter" exact...
  13. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Red - I understand what you're getting at. It's just that you have to be sure your roo is A/A B/B. You may still get a decent carnation with A/a B/B or A/A B/b. They are both dominant genes, and it's not been studied how variably they express. You'll have to hatch more than just a few. If...
  14. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Hey, weren't you guys talking about carnations on the main Marans thread? Research on carnations suggests there are TWO dominant genes, a perfect carnation comb having two copies of BOTH genes. Think of sprigs as in bad carnations, or incomplete ones. Sprigs require A gene PLUS B gene. One...
  15. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Hey Wynette, I don't think we disagree. I guess it may just be semantics, or a different use of the word "line". I think when folks refer to a particular line, most of the time it is to talk about where their original birds were sourced from, where they started. Some continue to say they have...
  16. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Quote: The reputable breeders didn't get there overnight. Most of them are what I'd respectfully call "old timers" who have spent a lifetime - some since childhood - combining old school techniques with modern knowledge of genetics to develop a line of one specific breed that gains a...
  17. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    I think most folks on this forum would tell you not to breed any wry-tailed bird, regardless of the color.
  18. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Quote: Interesting! What do you think makes the difference? Roger, I believe by having the hen setting on the ground with bedding you will have moisture and that will help control the heat underneath. I believe you know I grew up on a large Gamefowl farm when I was a kid. MY dad would never...
  19. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Quote: Roger, I agree with you about not breeding to a Crooked toe chicken. I always cull them, but if need be a I needed to single mate one I would go ahead. The age of eggs and the low temp. will cause a lot of problems when hatching. In the spring let the pair set in a box right on the...
  20. VillageChicken

    Black Copper Marans discussion thread

    Hey Don, I read that in your experience that curled toes are the result of wrong temp or humidity at hatch. I agree that those are factors, but in the last 100 or so eggs that I hatched, from the same incubator I had many with curled toes when my temp ran a little low. The interesting thing is...
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