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  1. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    Both Females show Hackle melanization wich could extend to the breast(cant see their breasts) the hen on the right is homozygous for the cream gene, the one on the left seems to be related to her but with only one copy of the cream gene, the male is on the rich side of cream and could be...
  2. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    These males have very good well defined secondary(wing Triangle) Grey Barring as its called for on the SOP
  3. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    KPenley exceptional Male vs Rees Line Male from Chiken Pickin Rees Male shows very good melanin barring as called for on the SOP on these Areas, Hackle, Saddle, Back, Wing Bow and Coverts, But lacking well defined Secondaries(AKA Wing Triangle) but this seem to be a Trait of the Rees...
  4. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    I have seen this very often on the CLB males, some are very light barring while having rich colored hackles and saddles, and some have darker barring while being clearly cream.. so its an independent traits to cream or red enhancement
  5. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    they are Columbian Restricted so black can be exprected to show on hackles and saddles and tails also, but since its so dark mahogany then its very difficult to see it, and this are single barred only thats why they are so dark, single barred males would have been lighter colored due to the...
  6. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    Chestnut = is just an expression of Red enhancers, Gold = is the sex linked gene the CL are based on s+/s+ crea = is an autosomal gold diluter ig/ig and the wildtype counter part is Ig+/Ig+ cream has some difficulties diluting red enhanced birds, specially on the shoulders Red enhancers =...
  7. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    not whithout homozygous Barring... thats why the Welbar was created, to make an autosexing welsummer
  8. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    the male has barring, but only heterozygous(or are you talking about other male) as for females.. yes you would need to Cage them and pick the ones laying brown eggs as they are Culls and will not help you, but will hurt your efforts.
  9. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    while some CL are for sure het for the cream gene(the ones that look TOO RICH and look like crele and have separate SOP I guess) most of the difference you see on this thread are difference in red ehancers, cream with red enhancers, some have more than others,
  10. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    had he been cream , he would have appeared to be silver line many CL you see from time to time, but its true he does look like most CL you see around here, it seems like cream and double barring are Battling Autosomal red enhancers the fact still remains that you can ttell the difference...
  11. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    Cream Light Brown Dutch Bantam showing red enhancers(shoulders and wing triangle) and Light brown Leghonr that has very little red enhancers showing white wing triangle and cream shoulders /i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz261/wieslawl59/Leghorn_Geelpatrijs_Haan.jpg[/img]
  12. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    Quote: his owner/breeder Mr. Henk Confirmed that he was not cream, cream Dutch bantams can show chestnut on the wing bay sometimes too,
  13. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    Quote: Quote: none of this breeds would produce the single barred male you see there, he looks like a legbar without a barring as far as size goes, the Ameraucana cross would produce pea combs and different type, the Maran will produce larger males with Crowings(birchen based ER/e+) and...
  14. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    Quote: thats correct is is just a gold base e+/e+ B/B male, not red enhanced, the reason he looks like that its because of the full power of doulbe barring on a not red enhanced bird.. if you add cream to that type of genotype you would end up with a near Silver or silver looking male, like...
  15. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    I have explained this issue a few times here.. let me re-post what I post back then.. on Cream birds this type of change will be more drastics, these are Henks birds and confirmed not to have cream, no on red enhanced cream birds the change should not be so drastic here is a Single Barred...
  16. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    I am talking about this male and its single barring phenotype
  17. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    this male is just a dark barred male(a trait some CL males have, some are light barred) the one I mentioned earlier is a Heterozygous for the barring gene..
  18. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    the male in question is without a doubt a heterozygous barred bird, the UK cockerel is just a dark barred male. there is a difference. some may not be able to tell
  19. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    The Male on the Front is Clearly Single Barred, only single barred males produce this type of Dark Tails and breasts.. so he is indeed a cross, but to what? his size does not seem to different. what other breed is similar on size, is wildtype and produces brown eggs? maybe penedesencas?
  20. nicalandia

    Cream Legbars

    I have looked at the females to see any sign of recent outcross, but so far they seem to be like any other legbar pullets/hens you see posted in here... an interesting thing about the blue egg shell gene and the P linkage is that when the O/O P/P linkage is broken, its really not broken at all...
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