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Quote: These birds come from North Thailand, where imperator and annamensis have already mixed for hundreds of years, so integradation like this is completely natural. These birds look very healthy, congratulations Reinhold. Breeders in Europe are usually more careful about what they breed...

Indeed Wolfgang Mennig's birds have the best reputation. Rodney Michael's stock, in comparison, is more of a composite of the "prettiest" birds. Few breeders have true spicifer and they sometimes turn out to be forms of imperator. And Wolfgang's muticus muticus is Malaysian not Javanese. The...