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OK This is a very colorful conversation (to say the least,LOL) thanks for the clarification Marvin so partridge (pg) is a pattern then, I got that, Brown/red(crow-wing) is birchen, I got that, and Brown(eb) is not the same a Brown red, but the hens are similar in appearance right? brown bodied...

Good examples there Chris, but too all partridge females aren't penciled either, it that were the case you'd have to call them gold partridge and silver partridge,right? Partridge is a color, Penciled is a pattern. Jeff

The Dark brown leghorn shown here have the red wing triangle so therefore should be considered wiltype right, just don't have the dilute as many other BBR(gold duck-wing) have. the picture of what Marvin posted as partridge are what is called Brown/reds (crow-wing) black wing triangle. I thought...