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There is a big variety of "CB" loads on the market now. They come in several bullet weights, and velocities vary from around 500 FPS up to over 900 FPS. One even uses a 60 gr bullet in a 22 Short case, to give the same overall length as a 22 LR

Quote: What were you shooting?

Quote: A HEAVY 17 Cal pellet will weigh a little over 11 GR Most average around 8 GR The guns that are advertising "1000 FPS" are using velocities obtained with the LIGHTEST pellets, which are only about 6 GR You have to go up to a 22 Cal pellet to approach 20 gr weights...

Quote: You've said that more than once, and yet you continue All the stories about your shooting prowess STILL don't override the PHYSICS that show a 17 Ca; Air Rifle is pitifully weak for game larger than a squirrel Quote: Actually, it's very hard to aim for the exact part of the neck with...

Quote: Any air rifle is a poor substitute for predators over a real firearm, and the 17 Cal is the weakest of them all. It's just reality

That's only if you use non lead pellets With lead , its just 1000 fps For the $300 it costs, you can get a nice 22

Quote: I've been shooting for over 50 years, and I've bounced pellets off possums skulls at 10 feet Small caliber air rifles are not reliable killers of larger animals. It's just a fact Anyone can make a LUCKY shot once in a while. Don't confuse that with "reliability" In the OP's...

Quote: "CB" is a generic term that covers several different loads. The slower the projectile, the quieter the load. .177 air rifles are NOT reliable killers on anything larger than squirrels, and quiet loads are a lot cheaper than an air rifle and pellets

There are a few loads even quieter than CB's http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=5&loadNo=960 http://www.aguilaammousa.com/rimfire.html These are cheaper than any air rifle, which will be just as loud