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for an unresponsive puppy, I used to rub from tail to head in one sweeping motion. This would anger them and after a time or two, they would let out an angry cry- in doing so they took a breath. I had a tiny pup that was unresponsive - late being born because her jumbo brother that came...

What a great thread this is. I was just surfing different threads on BYC and came across this one. Started reading a page here and there and am totally hooked. What helpful, kind, sharing folks you all seem to be. Such a difference from some other threads where arguments break out all...

Wind Dancer, have you tried posting on the Illinois thread for a wether - lots of chicken folks have goats as well.