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  1. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    Correct, well if your fermenting grains and especially grains like Oats, Barley, and BOSS then you would see a increase of protein that the bird receives but if your fermenting a mash, crumble or pellet the chances are there is going to be little deference in protein intake since the feed is...
  2. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    You can use the 19% feed, when you ferment feed and grain you do not raise the protein. Fermenting makes the proteins thats there more usable in some cases.
  3. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    I don't feed any Non-Laying fowl a layer type food. Non-Laying fowl is chicks, growing birds, roosters and hen that are not laying do to season, molt etc. Hens that are laying have a way to expel extra calcium out of there diet, they put that extra calcium into there eggs. Now a Non-Laying fowl...
  4. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    When you soak BOSS, Barley and Oats it makes there fibers a little easier to digest. I soak a lot of Oats and the birds go crazy over it, when I do feed BOSS I soak them also. Soured Oats can be made anytime of the year, I'v never herd of a batch go bad.
  5. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    Corn will not "warm" your birds. The story that Corn will make your birds/animal hot is a misunderstanding of the term "HOT" when referring to livestock. The term HOT simply means High Energy as in Corn is a High Energy feedstuff. You can look at this way also, most poultry feed contain 50 to...
  6. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    I really think your vet should have done a blood test, My livestock vet pulls blood on all my livestock and dogs. I never needed him to do blood work on poultry but I know he has for other people. The Flax Seed and Sunflower Seed might have something to do with it, and I bet that the first...
  7. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    Did your vet run a blood test to determine that it wasn't a Calcium/ Phosphorus imbalance? Other than a Prolapse what was the systems? If your bird wasn't eating the Oyster Shells and you were feeding treats rich in Phosphorus (BOSS, Pumpkin Seed, Flax etc.) you could have a problem with a...
  8. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    I think I would find a new vet. Quote From - Hyline Avian http://www.hyline.com/aspx/redbook/redbook.aspx?s=5&p=36 Quote From - The Merck Veterinary Manual http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/poultry/poisonings/overview_of_poisonings_in_poultry.html
  9. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    It depends on the dosage that is in the feed. At a dosage of 0.0125% to 0.0175% it is preventing coccidosis by starving it and not letting it to grow or reproduce, that is why the chick doesn't grow a immunity to coccidosis (there is no threat to grow a immunity too) Dosage below 0.0125%...
  10. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    Both Amprolim and Lasalocid is used as a preventive and treatment of coccidiosis. Quote from corid CORID mimics thiamin (Vitamin B1) which is required by coccidia for normal growth and reproduction. When coccidia ingest CORID, they experience thiamin deficiency and starve from malnutrition.
  11. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    I don't know who stated that all states have both types of medications but if you put your location (state) over in the section where your user name is that would help people out a lot in knowing your location and how to help...
  12. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    I am aware of what you posted and I was not disagreeing with your post.
  13. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    MeepBeep, The problem started with this post, Quote: Which is incorrect no matter if the hen in on a medicated chick starter or a medicated starter/grower. The products used in medicated type feeds thats intended for laying or a multi-flock is either Amprolium or Lasalocid. Last checked...
  14. Chris09

    When is it time to switch to layer feed?

    How is it possible for a basic grower feed to make hen's eggs poisonous and unfit to eat?
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