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Snort!!! Same with the game dog people decades ago. When massive amounts of money are involved there is a definite prejudice to hone variables down to a minimum. Money is a great basic indicator of success.

I'm sorry Karen, but it's off topic for this thread and so gave the impression it was a rhetorical question. However have you tried searching the forum? That is always a good first step when looking for information.

In reality George what you really need to know to follow your plan is an eye for the bird. It can be done without breeding by going to shows though visiting breeders is difficult with biosecurity. Some people have it, some people need to learn it and some never do. To use the old phrase- some...

Besides the increased and changed knowledge of genetics, a problem with most of the older books on breeding are the size of the operation. The majority of livestock owners/authors were wealthy with large numbers of animals and a sizable staff. It allowed them a lot more leeway in what could be...

What? Another ad hominem attack! Oh George your mother must be so proud of you. Bless your heart but you're showing stamina in continuing to attack the person instead of debating the ideas. ROFL- you ended up agreeing with me after you were shown the errors in your statements. I guess my...

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt I'm not on the great mind level. I can only try. It is a good thought to remember during discussions.

Ahh, another ad hominem response. Disappointing. Sigh, I still haven't heard how avian breeding is different than mammalian breeding. If having different genes makes it different- well no, that doesn't do it. Sex linked genes? Again not different. The schemes used by breeders- nope not...

Sigh, very disappointed in this response. Ad hominem.

Challenging is not the same as different. Several times I've read on BYC that breeding poultry is different than breeding mammals but I haven't heard how breeding or the art of breeding is really any different. Just flip the pedigree so the tail line is on the top ;) I am wondering if it's a...

IMO The end result is; breeding is breeding, the specifics differ in some ways, the overall view- it's exactly the same. Now for that statement has been repeated several times- exactly HOW is the art of poultry breeding different than the art of mammal breeding? This is Karen's idea of the...

Ahh, I forgot about the side flock. Another line bred group? Phenotypically similar, so type to type? Obviously same breeding system- exchanges possible either way? I'd guess for some people it's not really a "side flock" but Flock A and Flock B. Equally important just different ancestors or a...

The forum is posted as "Exhibition, Genetics & Breeding To A Standard". All three can be altered for better or worse by epigenetics. I will yield to your theory that genetics and breeding are totally different in poultry than in any other species. I'm sure it will make an exciting article in a...

Sigh, management has a lot to do with epigenetics. Diet and environment are key to those on/off switches. Don't you worry about bottlenecks and a lack of diversity using the posted breeding plan? I realize the plan posted was the quick version but what do you do if your ten best are all...

IME- If you treat people like they can't learn, they won't. Isn't epigenetics behind sex determination in some reptiles, ie alligators. Though the result isn't inherited as the next generation goes through the same on/off switch for sex. Pottinger's cats could be a case of;) epigenetics, though...

Epigenetics. Diet, environment and stress level also can affect offspring, sometimes for generations. Another good post from chooks4life showing how having good records is vital if you want to improve or change your flock.