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Actually, if they don't lay soon, I may just get rid of them. The second batch, I let Gremmie play with them, so they're MUCH calmer. He of course isn't allowed to pick them up, but he goes up to the cage when the top is off, and he'll stick his hand in the cage and touch them, or touch them...

I'm soon going to strangle them. I just don't know what else to try! I'm thinking that I might take the females from the next batch (they're about 5-6 weeks now) and dump them into a big cage, move the ivory RB female and the cinnie RB male into that cage and see if they'll do a community...

So, the buttons are STILL not laying. They're under artificial lighting, get oystershell grit, and they're in a place that the cat can't bother them. No changes have been made in awhile, but still, no eggs. The breeder's birds were laying by six weeks, so they should have been early layers...