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oh Lord no, dont see it that way at all. I personally enjoy talking about them. David and Toni-Marie Astin are friends of mine, Toni especially is one of my best friends. The two of those literally wrote the book Long tailed fowl. They are both known around the world for their work with...

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Actually David Rogers birds kick Cy's rear. His are actually bred from a pure onagadori hen to create his line. Cy, while he has great birds and are of onagadori decent, they are like 80 years old from the original crossings. Most all onagadori traits have been lost in the various out crossing...