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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    You also haven't seen anything from me that is anti-libertarian, so I'm not sure what your point is...unless your definition of "libertarian" is something like "prone to drawing baseless conclusions and seizing on every perceived opportunity to rail at government bogeymen." I prefer to focus on...
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    I don't know who reassured you on those grounds, but it wasn't me. I stated that they won't apply to us because the proposed changes explicitly spell out that they don't. Well, no. You're paraphrasing what I've said, which I'm sure you know is not an honest rhetorical tactic. What I'm saying...
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    That comment is as false and without basis as the original title of this thread. I am libertarian by nature, and have a healthy skepticism and inherent distrust of government agencies and the desire of those who run them to accumulate (and hold) power, and I have said nothing at all to indicate...
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    In other words, as I already pointed out, if they opt to later do something that they are not currently doing (and in fact is the opposite of what they are explicitly doing) and have given no indication of any intention of doing then...and only then...doe these regulations become an issue for BYCs.
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    What some other agency does or does not classify BYCs as is irrelevant with regard to the impact of the proposed regulatory changes under discussion. That doesn't even set a precedent of any kind, as regulatory agencies are already free (and always have been) to change the definitions of the...
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    I don't disagree. But that doesn't change the fact that what was claimed about the proposed regulatory changes impacting backyard poultry was false. Also, is this now a political forum where we're going to sound the alarm about every single instance of attempted government overreach? If so I...
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    Well, yeah...that's a bad thing in general. But how would this proposed regulatory change control you and/or take your freedom away?
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    What part of it do you think is the most awful?
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    Yes, that someone was me. And as I said before, the issue was not that the fed.gov can't regulate non-business activity, but that in this case it isn't trying to regulate backyard chicken raising (the addition on my part of "non-business" was, in hindsight, gratuitous and not even necessary to...
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    Quite the opposite. Wickard was about the federal government regulating the growing of wheat for consumption by one's own family. That bears little to no resemblance to the regulations under discussion here.
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    Well, that's correct...but irrelevant. I'm not saying that the regulation doesn't generally pertain to backyard chicken-keeping because fed.gov can't regulate it. I'm saying it doesn't pertain to that activity because it's quite explicitly exempt from the regulations in question.
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    That's not what what says? Gonzalez v. Raich was about whether a state's legalization of a controlled substance prevented the federal government from enforcing federal laws banning/restricting the use of such substances, which are not particular to business vs non-business production/use. The...
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    Speak up- The Goverment is trying to regulate chicken owners

    I'm generally keep-government-out-of-our-homes sort myself. But the proposal in question has nothing to do with licensing or otherwise regulating the private backyard non-business raising of fowl or any other animals.
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