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Can you post another closer picture of the first bird's saddle region?

The last one has pointy elongated male specific saddle feathers, but in the pictures of the other bird, these cannot be seen. Are they of the same age?

Are all the pictures of the same bird?

For us oldies, your first description was just spot on. :lol:

Thank you,with the last picture I can see now that it is a male.

You just made my day! :gig

Welcome to BYC! :frow To determine the gender we would need close up pictures of your bird, the ones you posted do not serve the purpose.