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Quote: no Good to know. I read a lot, trying to learn things- but am learning a lot of info online is false.. Argh.. Down colouring will tell you some of the genes present that may not show in mature plumage. Undercolouring may tell you something about the birds base.

Quote: He is not recessive white. It is NOT that leaky. All recessive whites carry hidden genes (heck, all white birds, whether dominant or recessive) carry hidden genes. Couldn't have come from a recessive white X recessive white breeding. Leakiness in recessive whites is an occasional...

IMO, #1 looks nothing like the champagne colouring on paints; it looks much too red. It actually looks along the lines of red pyle, but that could indeed be from buff plus splash rather than red plus dominant white.