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Side topics aside, I'm still not sure I'm really understanding the question. What do you mean by an "egg laying problem"? Laying too much? Too little? Or something like being egg-bound? I don't consider "too many eggs" to be a problem that warrants euthanasia. If you don't want your chickens...

To both writerskramp and Aapomp831, while I always enjoy a healthy, civil debate about religion, the whole "your god is imaginary" vs "you're a heathen who's going to hell" argument is so tired I'm about ready to close this thread, which is unfortunate cuz I thought it was going in some really...

Yeah catching up now and rapidly losing interest in this whole thread. You guys are both giving me a headache - and there's plenty of stones being thrown on both sides. Y'all keep saying you're done arguing but no one seems willing to let it go.

Actually, most fruit-bearing plants produce fruit because it entices animals to eat it. They digest the fruit, the seeds pass through intact and are deposited far away where they have a chance to grow out of the shadow of the parent plant. The equation is different for vegetables and many other...

That's totally up to you - I'm not saying anyone SHOULD be putting their animals down. I've actually never euthanized a chicken due to ill health or injury, I've always given them the chance to live, although I've never had a sick chicken linger longer than a few days before either getting...

No need to poop on people's religious beliefs. Respectful debate is one thing but let's keep it civil.

Condemn, judge, whatever verb you want to ascribe to asserting that it's wrong to euthanize a suffering animal. Of course, it's hypocritical of me to say that it's a personal decision and thus either answer is valid, yet also assert that it's wrong to condemn someone for disagreeing with you. I...

But you could argue either way. Is it worse to kill a suffering animal that might want to fight on to the bitter end, or to let a suffering animal die slowly, against its wishes, because you're afraid they might not want you to? You're right, you can't know. But I think it has to be a judgement...

I don't see how it's selfish to not cull an aging animal. Chickens are still useful after they've stopped producing eggs, for example; you can use them for prepping garden beds or for pest control or for their social role as seniors in the flock. Or they can just be pets. If someone wants to...

When I've butchered, I hang them upside down by their feet from a tree branch (or you can spring for or make a killing cone which is a little neater), which calms them down because the blood rushes to their head. Then I use a sharp knife to cut the jugular vein on either side, and they pass out...

I totally agree, I had a similar journey. My vegetarianism was mostly a reaction to learning about industrial farming practices. Once I started homesteading and learning more about the movement and having to seek out ethical sources of meat for my family, I started having to reevaluate my...

No but the point is that everything living has value and should be respected, but we all have to eat things that are alive, so we should not act as if animals have some exhalted position that makes them exempt from being eaten just because they are more like us than plants are.

I totally agree about the suffering animal. I mean it's a judgement call, I don't think it's immoral to choose *not* to kill a suffering animal, whether because you think it might have a chance to live or because you don't feel comfortable taking a life. But taking a life to end suffering is...

Maybe the rose bush just doesn't like you as much as your dog does. I'll bet it's lighting up for the bees that pass by ;) Those studies generally don't control for food quality, eg does the meat that the control group are eating come from corn-fed, antibiotic-treated, generally unhealthy...

There's that Soylent stuff, which is pretty close. But if you are what you eat, would you really want to fill your body with "food" capsules made from chemicals synthesized in a lab, instead of real food from the Earth like every other living thing?

Interesting, and also sounds like a totally rational way of looking at it. I can certainly relate as I used to be a vegetarian and even now I feel more karmic responsibility when I eat a piece of meat than when I eat a salad, because I do think the animal probably has *more* capacity for...

I think they were trying to make the point that it's hypocritical to say it's cruel to eat animals but fine to eat plants - the implication being we can eat both, not neither. Also, who are we to say that plants don't have feelings or consciousness? We know some plants react to having their...

That's why all my food waste goes either to my chickens or, if it's unfit for them, to the compost. It causes me physical pain to put food waste in the trash, eg when on vacation or at someone else's house. I would actually like to take it even farther; once I have my own land, I plan to build a...