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@Trux: I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. That's what I meant - maybe I need both. :)

@Trux: Thank you, that is very helpful! Love the details! :D Although a little disappointing ... I want big birds, but not an incubator! :he Maybe there's a place for a few hatchery-type birds in a serious flock after all ... (as surrogate moms and layers).

@MandaH Thank you! :D

@Cyprus, Thank you for your reply! You'd think that would fall under false advertising, wouldn't you? Just saying it's a "hatchery line" doesn't quite cut it when they use the breed description to make sales. Sad about your bird dying. :hugs @MandaH, Thank you also! I'm sure you never weighed...

Thank you! Where did you get your heritage orps? Can you describe them - how they're different? Are they actually heavier, or just bigger? Do they lay well? :D @Acre4Me, thank you again! Very helpful. I've actually ordered seeds from Sand Hill, but they had a lot of trouble last year and still...

Also, there have been some reviews given to these hatcheries - particularly Cackle, Meyer, and McMurray - that made me hopeful that out of a large flock I could get what I'm after. I've read mostly good things about Meyer's Buff Orpingtons, but nothing much about their size, and the little I...

Thank you for your reply! :D I was trying to narrow the questions down in hopes of getting more and also more refined responses. I was also afraid that my initial thread was too broad and maybe not very coherent. I've got a lot going on in my head; I didn't mean to be obnoxious or impatient...

Can anyone describe their experiences with Buff Orpingtons or Black Jersey Giants from Ideal, Cackle, Meyer, and/or McMurray ... in detail? Specifically, I want to know, if anyone can tell me: 1. How big are they? Mature buffs are supposed to be 8-10 lb; giants, 10-13 lb. I know they're...