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BossRoo, i feel that you are misunderstanding the point that i (and others too, but i won't speak for them) am trying to make. as i've said, multiple times now, i'm not arguing that technology is evil and should be abandoned completely. that is just ridiculousness. people died of all kinds of...

Quote: i don't understand the insinuation that biofuels are somehow the same as petrochemicals. i mean, they surely are in the sense that they both used to be plants and have now been modified into fuel, but biofuels are extremely less polluting. i mean, if you crashed a ship full of...

Quote: i won't argue religion on this, but being kicked out of a paradise would really just make me want to work really hard to recreate it. naturally, everyone's idea of paradise is probably a little bit different, but there isn't any contamination in mine. as for that "oozy stuff" to help...

Quote: no, i agree with you there. like i said previously, at least farmers are using chemicals to be more productive, whereas "suburbanites" are using them to keep up with the Joneses. it's a sad reality. but no one is trying to sell produce grown in those suburban yards to the masses of...

Quote: ohoh! don't forget grass athletic field maintainers (and the organizations that support them). every time i drive by the high school i went to i cringe a little more. they once SPRAY PAINTED some dying grass green because they were going to be on tv and it looked bad. they use so many...

they aren't skeptics of the organics thing so much as they are skeptics of doing things differently than they have been doing it (and especially of taking advice from a 27 yr old girl). most farmers i have met that have been relying on "modern farming practices" are usually that way. it's not...

Quote: obviously, i can't speak for everyone, but i don't personally know anyone who has a paid-off farm, multigenerational or not. the very first thing that happens when things get tough is that another mortgage gets taken out. it's not a good practice, but it's what gets you through... until...

jaku: no hard feelings. i try really hard to debate these things in a positive way, so i was mostly worried that i'd somehow missed the mark.

oh, just wanted to add that there are some things that will never look as appealing as Big Agribusiness produce. that's because they cheat! i remember when i was young i never wanted to eat the apples my great-grandfather grew in his orchard because i wanted "one of the big, shinny ones" they...

Quote: like the others said, the biggest problem is that even people who have made the commitment to organic have a hard time letting go of modern farming practices. i could go on for hours about the problems of industrialized agriculture, but this isn't the place (and it's boring to most...

well thanks laurenandtoby! it's always nice to feel like your efforts are appreciated. but mostly ! it's not always this heated around here, i promise!

Quote: thank you. i thought i was being this clear, but apparently i wasn't. edited because jaku figured out his oops...

Quote: no, there aren't hormones added directly to chickens, which is one of the things that make them such a wonderful food source for backyard farmers to work with. the problem is that there are hormones being transferred to your flock through their food, as well as chemical substances that...

Quote: I buy Countryside as well when I don't have the time to mix my own or if I can't use up a huge batch before it goes bad. It's great. Since there are NO organic mills around me, it can be hard to find quality feed that doesn't cost a fortune to ship. Countryside has Buyers Clubs, so we...

Oh, and in most states you can sell your eggs and chicken as organic without certification as long as it is on a small scale (the specifics vary from state to state) and you clearly state that you aren't certified. What we do when we sell at the Farmer's Market is post a sign that I had made...

We're a family farm (I'm the 5th generation, my brand new niece is the start of the 6th generation to live here) and we're lucky enough to be able to look over that history to help decide for our future. Like most farms, we were self sustaining until about the 50s: all of our "fertilizer" was...