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Not only that, but since 75 - 95% of all flocks test positive, what would they do about it? Kill 75 - 95% of all chickens? I still do not buy that percentage. I think it may be regional- perhaps in some areas, that is true, but not over the entire United States. I just will never believe that...

Quote: It's even worse than that, though, Kathy. It means the birds tested are free of Pullorum and Typhoid and perhaps AI that day--they could still be carriers of Mycoplasmosis and the flock will be NPIP, but still what I'd consider ill. NPIP is not a guarantee of a healthy flock, not by a...

You're getting off topic here, folks. Biosecurity is not the main subject in this thread, though I'm not sure why being cautious is a bad thing as some seem to imply. We're talking about breeding for resistance here, not biosecurity.

Quote: Very good suggestion, Don. I agree that to vaccinate or not is a personal decision. It's great to know all your options and the repercussions of each of those.

Removal does not mean selling or giving away diseased/recovered birds. I am going through the process above because of some form of CRD. Until the State Vet clears what is left of my flock at the end of this process, no bird (dead or alive) nor any egg will leave my farm. NYREDS probably...

Brian, welcome to BYC! Thanks for weighing in on this issue. Chicken keeping does involve some harsh realities, as you indicated.

Monique, not all vaccines are live ones. I think those are the ones that make the bird a carrier? I'm not sure since I don't use vaccines in my flock. Whatever you decide about managing your flock health, I'm of the opinion that you can never be too cautious with disease management.

According to Dr. Peter Brown, over time, the ones who are carriers from an outbreak will eventually show symptoms. That was how one member here was able to weed the Coryza carriers from her flock over a period of a year. Many of my birds' progeny have been tested by others who are NPIP and also...

Good discussion, folks! Monique, I think that many folks selling birds and eggs don't pay enough attention to the health of their parent stock. A good breeding feed rather than just a laying pellet would be a good idea, with extra added protein supplementation and a vitamin/mineral supplement...

Birds I have sold to others have been tested through their NPIP program, even for MG. They all tested clean. I personally am not NPIP nor do I plan to be. There are too many cases here on BYC of folks buying birds, even quarantining them, noticing no symptoms, then when the bird is introduced...

Someone whose idea of breeding for resistance being allowing sick birds to recover, with or without treatment, is someone I do not want selling to me or anyone else on BYC. We hear enough complaints about sick birds making the buyer's flock ill. Nobody ever does actual testing to see if the...

In my feeble mind "breeding fo resistance" has nothing to do with letting your fowl get sick and keep any that survive for breeding. Most of these disease if the fowl survive they will be carriers for life according to the way I have been taught. You would want to keep any that did not get sick....

Quote: Amen to that! If a bird recovers from a disease that has the potential to make it a carrier, I would cull, period. To me, there is no other option. I see folks on BYC all the time selling birds in BSA when they've recently had serious respiratory illness in their flock (which they've...

This is certainly an individual decision but please do not take sick fowl to a show and infect everyone else. Amen to that! If a bird recovers from a disease that has the potential to make it a carrier, I would cull, period. To me, there is no other option. I see folks on BYC all the time...

Laryngotracheitis is what he means. An NPIP breeder in Washington state helped get a big outbreak going awhile back. Bumblefoot is a staph infection of the foot from a wound or abrasion; it's not an immuno-suppressed disease. I do not vaccinate and I do not attend shows.

Me, too, Monique. Only bumblefoot, internal laying/egg peritonitis, a heart defect, sour crop and injuries. Never had any respiratory illness on my property--may some day, but I do take measures to prevent it from happening.

Remember that a bird can be exposed to a disease, not contract it, not be a carrier, just "resist" it due to its super healthy immune system. I'm with NYReds on this one. Wish more people would forget their medicine chest full of antibiotics for their flock. Even if a bird appears to recover...