Black Copper Marans discussion thread

[geebs]

This is a thread dedicated to the much loved and nearly APA recognized breed/color of Marans. Here we can discuss the difficulties in balancing the copper and the melanisers as well as the overall best presentation of the bird. All Black Copper lovers are welcome here. Please post pictures and be kind to one another as I hope this is a learning thread and a collaberative "classroom" where we can all benefit. There is so many colors in the marans that I though we could "fastrack" our information onto a more condensed thread. POST AWAY!!!

Okay BYC... lets see what you got for birdies!!! Let the chick flick begin!!!!

Before we go into specifics on color I would like to say that the number one priority for showing is good overall form and health of the bird. He should fit into the diagram like this one here:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...a=X&ei=gkZATdn3KomesQP1ke3gCA&ved=0CBYQ9QEwAA

Thank you Littlepeddler for putting this in cyberspace for us.


When we talk about color balance we are talking about how the copper colors the back. It is our striving to get a uniform copper color across the back with some mahogany but basically a uniform appearance..not too much red and not too much black. With this there are markers such as leg color and eye color that keep us on track.

When we talk about the melanisers we are talking about how much black... The black covers the red/copper and it "blooms" on the bird.. Sometimes (a lot of the time) the bird grows too fast for the color to catch up and we may see a mossy appearance or a white feather appearance. This is a culling point on an adult bird.

When you have both ends of the spectrum both too much black and too much color in opposite sexes there is a chance to do some crossing for improvement... test mating.

Here is the link to the marans website for the standard: http://www.maransusa.org/standards.html
Also the clubs associated with the breed. I encourage you to visit these websites however.... be careful that you don't have something on the stove... you will burn it. There is hours of information that has been collected and is a wonderful works of art that has been put together by some of the best ppl in the marans world. Lots of information to be had.... Enjoy yourself!!!! Thanks to the great group of folks that have made these sites available.

http://maransofamericaclub.com/breederslist.php

http://www.maransusa.org/

http://marans.eu/varieang.htm#varietes Here is the French website that has good strategies for breeding this color. Since there is currently no APA in place it is a good place to jump off. It is probably a good strategy for linebreeding till you get to the near end of the product and then can balance accordingly for the show pen.

ENJOY!!! (note: on this site the Black-Copper are referred to as Brown-Red)

 

[Wynette]

Oh, goodie! I'm glad to see this, and specifically that you called out discussion about melanisers. I know my flock is "overly melanised" (is that the correct term for too dark, not enough copper?). I see many who have black coppers that are too dark. How do we bring the copper back? How do melanisers actually work? As in....do they "cover up" the coppering?

 

[Goose and Fig]

What is a fair price for a 4 month old pair of FBCMs? From Hodge's Farms.

 

[Wynette]

I think it truly depends where in the country they are located (supply/demand). If you can get pics & post them, we can let you know if they are a worthwhile endeavor!

ETA: Here in Michigan, I sell decent pairs for $50, but I believe geebsie can sell them for much more in her area!

 

[geebs]

Yep and here is an extreme example:

Note the black in the eyes and in the shanks... the over melanisers cause too much black to spill into unwanted areas... while this does cover up the undesired white feathers it also creates the "beetle green" that I know I find attractive but it is also not to be overdone in the bird.

In the second picture you see a hen that has too little giving her a mossy muted black appearance and a lighter yellowing in the hackle feathers...

 

[sonew123]

oooh yes! Thank you for posting this. I have 8 BCM eggs in lockdown as of Friday and would love to learn as much as possible

 

[geebs]

I am not familiar with Hodges Farm. Can you tell me more about the birds? Do they have a lineage? Do you have pictures. In order to decide what is fair I would need a little bit of info on them. Are they siblings?

Sonew123 Tell us about your eggies... where etc...

Sending good hatchy vibes.

 

[Wynette]

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LIGHT BULB! So THIS is why I see so many that are overmelanised...folks, in an effort to get rid of the white feathers, have chosen stock that is overmelanised/over dark! Yes?

 

[pinkchick]

Pictures you say??????

Ya'll know Pink's got pictures.

 

[Goose and Fig]

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Well- they are mine that I'm trying to sell as a pair since I have too many roos. I have them listed for $20 for the pair. The ad has had like 300+ views, and not a single email or call. I thought that was pretty cheap for almost POL birds. The chicks alone were $6 each and I've been feeding them for 4+ months. I don't get it. I'll have to get some pics.