Can ACV cause decrease in calcium absorbtion in pullets? I just had a pullet lay her first egg, it was soft and deformed? wondering if ACV could effect calcium levels?
Can ACV cause decrease in calcium absorbtion in pullets?
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Actually I recently read that it improves calcium absorption.
It takes them about a month to get the whole egg laying thing right. You will no doubt see odd things at times, for a while, including soft shelled eggs, tiny "fart eggs," eggs laid from the roost, etc. And they will be smaller than the eggs they lay most of their laying years.
It takes them about a month to get the whole egg laying thing right. You will no doubt see odd things at times, for a while, including soft shelled eggs, tiny "fart eggs," eggs laid from the roost, etc. And they will be smaller than the eggs they lay most of their laying years.
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Thanks Judy, I have read a lot about ACV, but have no personal experience as you can tell, I know with humans they usually reccomend ascorbic acid to aid in calcium absorption ie: citri-cal, but have heard ACV can cause decrease.how often and how much ACV do you give your ladies? What benefits have you experienced? Thanks for the new egg info, I was a bit rattled with the first weird egg and my pullet is acting a bit strange...isolating and kinda punky last one off the roost this morning and not herself!I
Julie
Julie
A lot depends on who you talk to and what answers you will get but there are a few cons to feeding ACV including lowering potassium levels, decreased bone density, stomach problems, etc.
There are also cons in increasing acid levels with in the body and one of the them is decreased bone density (and soft egg shell in poultry),
The body tries to keep a balance of Calcium and Acid, the more acid that goes into the body the more calcium is needed to neutralize the acid. If the body does not take in enough calcium to balance the Ph of the body then the body will start to rob calcium for bones.
In the case with poultry if the acid levels in the body is to high the body will start rob calcium from bones and egg production in turn the poultry will start to lack both egg shell and bone density.
As for citracal,
Citracal is just Calcium Citrate which is a Calcium Salt from Citric Acid and does not contain a "acid".
Chris
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thanks chris I was under the impression that citri cal had vit c, could swear the comercials promoted vit c as in aiding the absorbtion but calcium citrate/citrical makes sence just always asumed it was the citrius ha learn more everyday....I give the pullets ACV a few times a month to cut slime in water and it seems to firm up their poo to nice hard white capped droppings, other than that, I was very concerned about that first weird egg, i'll wait and see if it was just a fluke begginer layer or if I have a calcium issue going on, on another forum someone went to vet with chicken and the vet said in hot weather the chicks drink tons of water and this can leach calcium too, he recommended doubling up? not sure how one would do this, at this time i switched my girls to layer pellets only, no more scratch or chick crumbles(was finishing a bag) and oyster shells free choise in a tuna can nailed to the outside coop. I will keep a close eye out, my pullet who layed the weird egg is still acting a bit strange today but functional and improving...thanks for your post 
Julie
JulieVitamin D is used to promote calcium absorption in the gut and maintains adequate serum calcium and phosphate concentrations.
I didn't see any Vit C in it Citracal.
Citracal Plus Magnesium
Serving Size: 2 tablets
Servings Per Container
Net Qty Contents/Serving Size [# tablets])
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D(as cholecalciferol) 250 IU 63%
Calcium (elemental) 500 mg 50%
Magnesium 80 mg 20%
Zinc 7.5 mg 50%
Copper 1 mg 50%
Manganese 1 mg 50%
Boron 0.5 mg *
*Daily Value not established.
Citracal Regular
Serving Size: 2 tablets
Servings Per ContainerNet Qty Contents/Serving Size [# tablets])
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D 400 IU 100%
Calcium (elemental) 500 mg 50%
Sodium 5 mg < 1%
Citracal Petites
Serving Size: 2 tablets
Servings Per ContainerNet Qty Contents/Serving Size [# tablets])
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D (as cholecalciferol) 500 IU 125%
Calcium (elemental) 400 mg 40%
Sodium 5 mg < 1%
Citracal Maximum
Serving Size: 2 tablets
Servings Per ContainerNet Qty Contents/Serving Size [# tablets])
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D (as cholecalciferol) 500 IU 120%
Calcium (elemental) 630 mg 63%
Sodium 10 mg < 1%
Chris
I didn't see any Vit C in it Citracal.
Citracal Plus Magnesium
Serving Size: 2 tablets
Servings Per Container
Net Qty Contents/Serving Size [# tablets])Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D(as cholecalciferol) 250 IU 63%
Calcium (elemental) 500 mg 50%
Magnesium 80 mg 20%
Zinc 7.5 mg 50%
Copper 1 mg 50%
Manganese 1 mg 50%
Boron 0.5 mg *
*Daily Value not established.
Citracal Regular
Serving Size: 2 tablets
Servings Per Container
Net Qty Contents/Serving Size [# tablets])Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D 400 IU 100%
Calcium (elemental) 500 mg 50%
Sodium 5 mg < 1%
Citracal Petites
Serving Size: 2 tablets
Servings Per Container
Net Qty Contents/Serving Size [# tablets])Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D (as cholecalciferol) 500 IU 125%
Calcium (elemental) 400 mg 40%
Sodium 5 mg < 1%
Citracal Maximum
Serving Size: 2 tablets
Servings Per Container
Net Qty Contents/Serving Size [# tablets])Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin D (as cholecalciferol) 500 IU 120%
Calcium (elemental) 630 mg 63%
Sodium 10 mg < 1%
Chris
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i don't see it either, but citrate i believe from old chemistry or avs nutrition courses is part of citric acid??? I don't see citrate on those lables either oh well, I must have fabricated the citrus idea in my head?
i don't see it either, but citrate i believe from old chemistry or avs nutrition courses is part of citric acid??? I don't see citrate on those lables either oh well, I must have fabricated the citrus idea in my head?
I don't know lol.
I do know that the pH of any solution is the measure of its hydrogen-ion concentration. The higher the pH reading, the more alkaline and oxygen rich the fluid is. The lower the pH reading, the more acidic and oxygen deprived the fluid is.
When gardening if the soil has a pH of 5.0 and you want to raise the pH to 7.5 you will need to add a calcium to the soil (most cases lime) to counter act the acid in the soil, on the other hand if you have a soil pH of 8.5 and you want to lower the pH to 7.5 you will need to add a acid to the soil (most cases aluminum sulfate or sulfur)to counter act the calcium in the soil.
The same go's with any animal and humans, if you ingest a lot of acidic foods and have blood pH of say 6.0 (ideal healthy body is 7.4) then it is safe to say that you have a calcium deficiency and you need to lower your acid intake and raise your calcium intake.
Chris
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well it's 98 right now outside,and has been in the high 90's and one week of over 100 up to 107 degrees here in beautiful Boise...... just in case and to make myself feel better i went out and got the girls some electrolytes(save a chick$2.99) and a bag of fancy spangled show chicken vitamins(i won't go into how much that cost
) if we have a calcium or potassium issue hopefully this will get the girls through to cooler weather! I googled citrate and it is a "salt" of ascorbic acid that does aid in absorption sooooo....we were both on the right track ( in a strange way), it is on the ingredient list of citrical but not on the significant nutritional label hee hee.......I love to learn new stuff sometimes too much and it all gets garbled in my cob web filled brain hee hee. I grew up in New England and the soil PH here in Boise screws me all up! we used to spread lime on the soil to cut acid back east and here you need to add acid to the dessert soil.....needless to say all I can grow here is yucca, mint, bamboo, and tomatoes....i kill everything else.....poor chickens I hope i have better luck with them! They are definitely spoiled as long as i don't kill them with treats, vitamins, ACV, and probiotics they may have a chance
....I don't remember it being so involved as a kid, we just threw the chickens what we had but they were hardy chickens and usually died by predator attacks, so far I think I worry way too much about these chicks and I haven't lost any yet, they are well protected from predators as long as they survive their over anxious flock keeper they'll be fine
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