A&M x Brown = Tux?

[Bettacreek]

Well, my A&M roo is covering my jumbo brown hens. The chick that hatched has the brown back, but it looks like it may have a yellow chin and belly. I can't remember correctly, but do the regular browns have yellow bellies and chins, or is this a tux?

 

[SamG347]

Sounds like a Tux to me! Pic would be best though!

 

[Bettacreek]

In time.

I do think it is a tux, now I can see that the face has white too. I can't get very good pics through the LG though, so the pics will have to wait, but I will get them (just loaded up on batteries, lol).

 

[monarc23]

That means that mama is carrying tibetan sounds like

 

[shelleyd2008]

Why would it have to be carrying tibetan? Isn't the brown coloring dominant as well? So if breeding tibetan to A&M creates a tibetan tux, wouldn't breeding brown to A&M have the same effect? Or golden for that matter? I would think any of them would create tuxedos, I don't see how tibetans can be the only color that creates tuxedo??

(But I'm not a genetics dork like Niki is, so I'm sure she'll set me straight

)

 

[monarc23]

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For some reason only Tibetan is able to easly create tuxedo. To get tuxedo from golden theres an actual pain steaking code you need to do (i have it written down somewhere).... there has been produced golden tuxedos before but they arent marked like normal tuxedos (in tibe) are. For some reason it's the incomplete dominance in the tibetan that causes it...basically how merle pattern effects black in dogs. The most "tux" markings i've seen in an Brown so far is some sparse white feathers. Im sure it can be done but tibetan over A & M is the only easy way to get it..the other colors you need to actaully do a few gererations of planned breedings to get it.

Also...tibetan encompases MANY colors, Golden Range, RED, what I've been calling orange tibe and red tibe, and dark "black" tibetan you can get tuxedo easily from all those colors because they are all tibetan just different intensities of the pattern.

 

[shelleyd2008]

Ah, so tibetan is incomplete dominant? That would mean that tibetan crossed with 'other' dominant colors would most likely produce the 'other' dominant color? (except for golden, I had some tibetan/golden mixed eggs sent to me, and they were all tibetan. Of course, everyone of them died, but they were still all tibetan!)

And you see? I knew Niki the genetics dork would pull through for me!

 

[monarc23]

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It almost seems to me that they are fifty fifty when bred to another dominant color but i dunno. tibetan is my favorite for that reason as I almost always know which egg came from a tibetan (they almost always have a blue tint)..... so far tibetan bred to browns has produced tibetan and brown for me, and golden over tuxedo (tibetan with white) produces solid tibetans for me.

Normally incomplete dominant means that it has room for other colors to come in from time to time

Like I said, A black dog with teh merle gene becomes a blue merle (blue and black markings) still shows the black but most of it is dilluted. Now if only tibetan diluted colors! Well it does actually... just not like merle does

Also.....YEAH im a dork

take it or leave it!!!

BTW i dont know everything about coturnix genetics

i'd like to tho ...lol

 

[Bettacreek]

Coturnix number two is also a tux.

This egg was from a different hen though. The first egg was from my girl who lays the chocolate candy looking ones with an occasional white tip, the second is a "normal" splotchy egg. I have some others in there that should hatch within the next five days, so we'll see what that produces.