Barred Rock X ???

[HopperVal]

I'm trying to find out who the genetic mother is to our last clutch just out of curiosity so I figured I'd post some pics up here and have people way more knowledgeable about chicken genetics let me know what they see It might be hard to identify the mom since the barring was so over powering on most of them but I hope you guys can tell me something!

So here's the dad who has since passed:





And here are the possible momma's:









So we have 3 dark RIR type hens and 2 lighter hens (Maybe RSL?). These pics shows the difference in color between the two:





And we also have this Speckled Sussex hen:



And here are the 8 month old babies in question:

The roo, Alpha-


You can see one of his spots at the base of his neck in this one-


And more spots on the other side-


Here's one of the girls, Ashes-




And here's the one that really surprised us, Ally-





She has a few tiny black spots and when she was younger I swear she had really light cream colored barring on her neck but it has faded since she's gotten older.

Thanks for reading, let me know what y'all think!

 

[Fred's Hens]

Cannot say for sure, but the rooster in the first photo looks to have considerable amount of gold leakage, saying to my eyes that he is/was perhaps a Black Sex Link male. But in any case, when you breed, using a BSL rooster, you get a lot of coloration thrown. Some of the hens you showed as possible mothers, also look to be Red Sex Links and that really adds a whole bunch more interesting twists to the genetic slurry. This combination of BSL or RSL can certainly produce a lot of interesting colored offspring. The white hens are not surprising to me, really. White covers a lot. We've had some similar results.

BTW, the white birds are very, very pretty. What can you say about the personalities of the offspring? The "sorta of" Barred Rock offspring? The white offspring? I find their personalities as interesting as their coloration.

 

[HopperVal]

Hmm, interesting... I never even considered that the dad was anything besides a BR. When you say gold leakage do you mean the gold tint between his black bars? I never noticed it when he was alive but now looking at those pictures he certainly does seem to have a gold tint...

The offspring are on the skittish side but quite friendly in general. They may have been more people oriented if we had raised them but we let our broody do the work. They'll come running to us when we come outside (it could be the treats though ) And the roo from the clutch I love! Much more mild mannered than his dad. Has never been aggressive and is a really good protector of his hens... he's good with kids too.

The girls can be a little on the pushy side within the flock but I wouldn't call them aggressive at all... more like they don't want to be pushed around by the other hens. The white one less so than the barred.

Thanks for the reply I also have a couple pictures of Alpha's offspring if it would help at all...

 

[speckledhen]

I don't think you can determine the mother since a Barred rooster passes on barring to all the progeny, muddying the waters too much for you to figure out who the mother is.

The rooster in the first pic may not be a BSL. My first BR rooster was fed only corn most of his life (before I got him and fixed his diet) and he was positively gold in his hackles. Within a month of better nutrition, that was all gone. So, gold can be diet or sun exposure on Barred Rocks at times. Some tend toward that brassiness anyway, genetically predisposed.

Hawkeye when I first brought him home, just after his bath-poor thing has multiple issues, including lice and favus, but you can see how gold his hackles were:



After less than two months of proper diet and management:

 

[aoxa]

I am going through the same thing right now with my flock. I have a barred rock father over all these other different breeds. I only got one white chick like yours above. It was from my RSL hen.

Just wanted to say that Alpha is so very pretty Much better looking than his father too!

 

[HopperVal]

I don't think you can determine the mother since a Barred rooster passes on barring to all the progeny, muddying the waters too much for you to figure out who the mother is.

The rooster in the first pic may not be a BSL. My first BR rooster was fed only corn most of his life (before I got him and fixed his diet) and he was positively gold in his hackles. Within a month of better nutrition, that was all gone. So, gold can be diet or sun exposure on Barred Rocks at times. Some tend toward that brassiness anyway, genetically predisposed.

Hawkeye when I first brought him home, just after his bath-poor thing has multiple issues, including lice and favus, but you can see how gold his hackles were:



After less than two months of proper diet and management:

Wow, what a difference! He looks great in the second one. I'm hoping the gold was from sun bleaching then and not an inadequate diet. He was on free choice organic layer pellets plus free range. I don't know, I think dad was a full BR. Maybe not the best quality but a BR none the less. I don't know much about chicken mutations but he just doesn't seem to have the gold 'leakage' in the way that most hybrids I've seen have it, but maybe that's just my inexperience.

I figured the barring would make it near impossible, I was just hoping maybe y'all could see something that I couldn't.

I am going through the same thing right now with my flock. I have a barred rock father over all these other different breeds. I only got one white chick like yours above. It was from my RSL hen.
Just wanted to say that Alpha is so very pretty

Much better looking than his father too!

Very cool! So interesting how all these colors work, huh? What's even more interesting to me is the next generation. Alpha has given us 3 babies so far this year and only one of them had any black on them. Unfortunately the only black chick died. We've got one more egg left though so maybe it'll be a little barred baby

And thank you! I do love the way Alpha turned out! I love his tail... you can't really see it in the picture but it also has some blue in addition to the green. He's also very sweet. He'll let us pet him, even kids and whenever he see's us he calls his ladies over to come and get some treats from us. He's a very good boy

 

[aoxa]

Wow, what a difference! He looks great in the second one. I'm hoping the gold was from sun bleaching then and not an inadequate diet. He was on free choice organic layer pellets plus free range. I don't know, I think dad was a full BR. Maybe not the best quality but a BR none the less. I don't know much about chicken mutations but he just doesn't seem to have the gold 'leakage' in the way that most hybrids I've seen have it, but maybe that's just my inexperience. I figured the barring would make it near impossible, I was just hoping maybe y'all could see something that I couldn't. Very cool! So interesting how all these colors work, huh? What's even more interesting to me is the next generation. Alpha has given us 3 babies so far this year and only one of them had any black on them. Unfortunately the only black chick died. We've got one more egg left though so maybe it'll be a little barred baby And thank you! I do love the way Alpha turned out! I love his tail... you can't really see it in the picture but it also has some blue in addition to the green. He's also very sweet. He'll let us pet him, even kids and whenever he see's us he calls his ladies over to come and get some treats from us. He's a very good boy

I know! It's just crazy how genetics work (IMO)

Here is the father of 17 of my chicks that hatched out.

Cochins were easy to pick out - we have only one feather footed breed that was laying at the time. Four of her eggs hatched.

My Delaware had two eggs hatch

My barred rock hen - I am not quite sure. Her eggs look very similar to my SLW's eggs - so I'm going to say she might have had 5 hatch. The SLW has two babies with a rose comb.

Here is a lot of his barred babies.

Here is the odd one out! Her/his wing feathers are really grown in now and they are all white. No barring at all. So neat how that works! She/he was from my red sex link hen. I don't plan on keeping any boys out of this hatch. I seem to be overrun with them as it is lol.

 

[Chris09]

I would say since you had a White chick pop up that the Rooster is a Black Sex-Link and the mother was one of the Red Sex-link Hens.
If the Rooster was a pure Barred Rock all of his offspring would be Barred.


Chris

 

[aoxa]

 I would say since you had a White chick pop up that the Rooster is a Black Sex-Link and the mother was one of the Red Sex-link Hens.
If the Rooster was a pure Barred Rock all of his offspring would be Barred. 


Chris

Chris,

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/661657/can-a-barred-rock-rooster-have-an-unbarred-offspring
Check out the answers I received on the same question here. My rooster is definitely 100% barred rock.

the two white genes are completely separate, nothing to do with each other.  rw is always rw, dw is always dw.   like a white jeep remains a jeep even if you get a white porsche and have both at same time.  they are a jeep and a porsche even if they are the same color visually..  the machinery is different. 

yes exactly, a rw chick had parents with the rw gene.  it will always be rw.  rw bred to rw always 100% rw, so a white silkie bred to white silkie will always produce all white silkies. no other color at all.  

all white silkies are recessive white..   because rw does not interfere with skin pigmentation.  dw does, and it is very hard to keep black skin on birds with dw because it blocks pigment in both feathers and skin.  (understand, this is omitting the paint silkies.. not sure if anybody has figured their genetics yet & they are very new)

the term 'recessive'  you can sort of think of it being 'weak' and have to be in 'pure form to show up visually'.

as for 'dominant'  think of it as 'strong, shows up visually in crosses'.

for example:

rw bred to black chicken- all black chicks.  (this white is "weak") 

dw bred to black chicken- all white chicks.  (its dominant personality says 'i am here!')  your chick is an example of this.

Yes that hen pictured with the barred cock is a red/golden sexlink hybrid and is made by crossing a red(gold) male over a dominant white hen (most likely some form of leghorn type high production egg-layer) note the white in the tail(red pyle)  and probably has some in the lower neck hackles and wing flight feathers too? So therefore half of the offspring she produces will be white. She's a a production type hybrid not so much a production red great differences there and a long line of debating to go with that, but they are sometimes marketed as "production reds"

Dominant white can mask every chicken color or pattern under the sun even barring which is black with white stripes.

Jeff

 

[Chris09]

aoxa,
I know all that but if the OP bought here birds as chicks from a hatcheries then the chances are very good that the Rooster is a Sex-link since most all hatcheries breed so that they can feather sex there chicks at birth. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/261208/sex-linked-information
I dont know very many Sex-links that use Dominate White in the breeding since Dominate White is not a Sex-link gene.

Chris